大象传媒

given the nation's default topic of conversation is the weather it looks like its getting chilly for the Met Office? [no super computer model needed to predict that?]


大象传媒 'considers dropping Met Office'?

...the Met Office accepted that its annual global temperature predictions were inaccurate for nine of the last ten years. The agency also acknowledged its responsibility for failing to flag up the heavy snow....


Met Office computer accused of 'warm bias' by 大象传媒 weatherman

..A 大象传媒 weather forecaster has suggested that the Met Office's super-computer has a 'warm bias' which has stopped it predicting bitterly cold spells like the one we have just endured....



andrew neil said on this week the usa forecast service got the weather for the uk right.

the govt are in the process of privatising the met Office and the Tories have said said they would sell it off.

DO ANY REPORTERS ABANDON THEIR MASTERS AND GET 'STUCK IN' HELPING?

One doesn't need much imagination (and certainly not a media prancer) to envisage the consequences of earthquake. When I was still watching NN output from Haiti, I found myself looking hard at the reporter and trying to work out what mentality just can stand, amid all that, telling us the obvious - with the odd tasty shot of an individual rescue.

Beats me.

#2 barriesingleton
QUITE!
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

I think I have counted at least 8+ 大象传媒 (TV - excl radio) reporters/presenters on the ground the past few days.

Then multiply that by the major worldwide broacasters
THEN ADD the pointless pointing pouting politicians 'jetting' in to show their solidarity. ALL polished nails and shiny shoes.

Is there to be a 'media crimes' tribunal?

#97 from previous page

Brightyangthing

On one hand I think I should stop reacting to jaunty and kevsey, whether they are one or two which I suppose does not matter really.

On the other hand, I sometimes like to bring certain issues they bring up to the attention of others, like the one about the need to kill off vast populations, etc.

The thing is one never knows when one is going to die anyway, be they ordinary folk or dictators so cause all this devastation for what? My idea would be to promote birth control as opposed to what the Catholic Church preaches. I'm not sure what viewpoints other religions have on the matter.

I'll try and listen to Mary Black in a minute and indeed am hoping to get some rest after that although I did manage to get a few hours of sleep last night.

mim

Thinking about the 2004 tsunami in Asia, why was that so much better managed, and the people more co-operative with each other, than the situation in Haiti? There seems to be a massive difference between the success of them both, with it appears the same amount of people killed and injured, and the same massive amounts of aid pouring in.

Is because of this

I heard a debate a few weeks ago on Radio 4 about this thought, someone, sorry I can't remember who, suggested it was the reason why christian programmes had gone down.

#6

Good link Lizzy

Perhaps the church need look no further that its own 'dwindling' congregations to offer up the reasons for any decline in broadcast output.

With the possible exception of Gaelic output, NO broadcaster would be deemed wise to offer a disproportionate percentage of output to potential audience would it?

Church(es) should put their own houses (glass) in order before casting stones before them.........

4 mim wrote

I sometimes like to bring certain issues they bring up to the attention of others, like the one about the need to kill off vast populations, etc....

where do i say that? it is a blatant lie.

#8

apologies

it was kevsey

AND NEW ORLEANS? (#5)

Bush has form. Magic Obama has 'Bush on his hands.' There is Evil in the world.

#10 Oh crumbs I forgot about the flooding in New Orleans Barrie! oopps.

I wondered if it shows what infrastructure there is, and the general populations attitude is to disaster.

Blatently there is little in place in Haiti, and the people seem somehow floored, exhausted, lack reason, or leadership. Of course believing in Voodo doesn't help either. Doesn't it show how strong leadership is almost an essential director for policy. People with vision, ah, where did that get us! hhhhmmm ; )

The asian people all seemed to pull together, in no time at all they seemed to have cleared pathways, set up camps, got some type of medical care in place. Why didn't the Haitians do that? Why did they loot, and pile bodies in the road to complain about lack of emergency aid. They must be about the same as regards there backgrounds, but one seemed to act positively and the other negatively.

But never having visited either place I'm not in a position to speak. Therefore perhaps I shouldn't.

I wonder what we would do, now that would be interesting.

#7 BYT I thought it was all quite interesting. As an atheist it doesn't bother me either way. Should there be any religous broadcasting? Should we as a christian nation, only broadcast that view. Should we allocate proportionately, to all the religions now practiced here. That would of course include Hindu, Buddhism, Sikhism, Judaism, Islam, not to mention the several different forms of Christianity. Oh and how about the Humanist point of view as well.

Then again should we become a secular society, perhaps that would be the answer, France seems to manage.

I wonder if there is so much talk of religion because Blair and Brown are such right on religious people. I don't remember past politicians ever mentioning what they believed in, why has it become such a major issue in our lives and policys. Or is it because of the major influx of new religions to our country.

I DECLARE I AM IN NO WAY AFFILIATED TO THE ECOLIZZY ABOVE (#11)

Oooooh Lizzy!!!!!!!!!! You might almost believe that different sub-groups of humanity have different emotional responses to catastrophe!

You will be suggesting one group gives the world all its top sprinters next! (Do you sense the ghost of JJ?)

Signed: B Igot.

BLAIR BROWN GOD (#12)

Think school playground Lizzy. "My dad's a policeman" is only a small step from "I am backed by God".

The more juvenile we get, the more we need add-on certainty. No mature mind can embrace dogma (even 'scientific dogma' - a non-sequitur).

QED

Thinking about the 2004 tsunami in Asia, why was that so much better managed, and the people more co-operative with each other, than the situation in Haiti? Ecolizzy #5.

I think the answer is that the SE Asian countries most affected by the tsunami have got established, functioning governments and administrative bureaucracies. Many also have economies showing growth etc.
Haiti on the other hand is pretty much a failed state.

Before the earthquake Haiti had an interim government following an uprising that ousted President Aristide in 2004, most government buildings were in Port a Prince and are presumably now destroyed.
Haiti's infrastructure, such as it is, was left to decay, gang violence was already commonplace, there is little law and order and it has suffered some recent devastating hurricanes.

The SE Asian countries affected by the tsunami are pretty much politically and socially stable, and being major tourist and business destinations have many more airports, ports, roads, hospitals etc. Logistically it was much easier to get aid in at different entry points and distributed. Their central administrative structures (regional and national governments etc) also remained intact & so could begin responding much quicker.

UKIP have called for a ban on the face veil.

Oh! .... Yes ....

I went into a Pub before Christmas ....

No! No! No! Please don鈥檛 鈥渕od鈥� me for using the term 鈥淐hristmas鈥� ? It鈥檚 in the dictionary (Well for the time being anyway!) .... Honest!

.... to meet a couple of friends. The weather was dismal. I was wearing warm, but not bulky, clothes which - disastrously, I was to discover - was topped off with a 鈥榗ommon or garden鈥� baseball hat. Lights, camera ...Action!

鈥淐an you remove your hat please, Sir?鈥�

(I do hate being reminded of my occasional lapse in manners, but it was cold ....)

鈥淲hy鈥檚 that?鈥�

鈥淪ecurity, Sir.鈥�

(My hand, that was going in the direction of what鈥檚 left of my hair, dropped back to my side.)

鈥淲hy, what do you think I鈥檓 going to do? Pull a pint whilst you are counting the lemon slices? (I said jokingly .... Mistake! Big mistake! Catastrophic mistake! ... If words could kill!)

鈥淲e can鈥檛 see your face on the CCTV! .......... Sir!鈥�


Names and places have been changed - and faces obscured - to protect the innocent.

And .... my Lawyer insisted.

And ... Oh! .... Yes ....


Social Workers.

There is only one way to avoid another disaster similar to the tragedy that has been reported today.

Get these 鈥榩rofessionals鈥� away from their desks, the endless pontification, the forever repeated non-productive meetings - where they do little but pat each other on the back, drink fair trade organic decaff鈥檚 ( With the 鈥榦bligatory soya milk, n鈥檈st pas?) and postpone for 鈥渇urther reports鈥� - and get them out of their 鈥榗omfort zones鈥� and on to the street! Far too many of the SW鈥檚 I鈥檝e worked with haven鈥檛 a clue about the real world and spend far, far to much time 鈥榯heorizing鈥�.

A directly applicable maxim for top managers all the way down to lowly SW ass鈥檚 ...

鈥淒on鈥檛 talk! ... Act!鈥�


And ... Oh! .... Yes ....


It鈥檚 time for the worlds media to leave Haiti, let the disaster professionals get on with it. The - further - breakdown in law and order if reported may lead to some of the public choosing to close their wallets. And that鈥檚 the last thing that the Haitians need.

Use local reporters and pay them the going rate.

And ... Oh! .... Yes ....

Improving the standards in education has absolutely nothing to do with the Teacher鈥檚 鈥榖it of paper鈥�! (For proof ... watch some of this country鈥檚 first rate - and mostly disrespected and derided because they are not 鈥榩rofessionals鈥� - Teaching Assistants in action!)

If you want major improvements in educational results introduce proper and effective discipline and shorten school holidays. (It doesn鈥檛 take six weeks to get the harvest in any more!)

And ... Oh! .... Yes ....

The Nu Con proposal to pay 鈥榖etter鈥� Teachers more .....

.... won鈥檛 do anything to cut the deficit ....

..... but it might cut the unemployment rate for ....

Ex Public School Students!

#16 Brilliant observations JAperson

Perhaps especially the bit about school teachers, when I was a secondary modern in the early 1970s the best teachers we had were well qualified trades people often with an engineering background. The first three years of Physics was brilliant as taught by Jack Wright, ex RAF bloke with practical engineering experience. We learnt more useful practical in life stuff in the first three years with him than we got on the alleged O level course under an idiot with a BA in two years. All he was interested in was that you never called him ASPIN at it was ASPDEN, lazy swine just used come in and tell you to copy sections from the text book. He was missing a lot of the time, couldn't see the point of simply copying the textbook, you need different angles to learn efficiently, lucky for me there were programmes like Horizon and all the other excellent educational stuff. Anyway I used the physics lesson time to do homework from other subjects and still got a C despite having to pay to take the exam because Aspin put me in for CSE, but I couldn't be arsed with the course work project homework. These days pupils spend far too much of the time being preached Shakespeare, would be far better to practice written English through something like geography or history. I believe that physics has disappeared and become part of a combined science course that can never be as good as taking the individual subjects.

One of the most memorable episodes in my secondary school education was the close links between both the science and math's departments. They collaborate on practical jokes on certain pupils by masters. Perhaps the best one was sending somebody for a long stand, which I witnessed personally in one of Ma Sharpe's math's lesson. Said pupil would come into the lesson and state " Please Mrs. Sharpe Mr. Wright ( the physics master ) sent me for a long stand ", not so stupid request as it might seem as Ma Sharpe did in fact possess a " long stand " which she used to illustrate the practical in stuff like geometry. However said pupil would make said request but Ma Sharpe would continue the math's lesson for another ten minutes or so. When she ended her spiel said pupil would ask " what about my long stand " to which Ma Sharp would retort that " you have already had it ". It took a couple of seconds for the penny to drop after which said pupil would make a speedy exit to avoid the embarrassment. I never quite worked out whether it was a punishment for stupid pupils who disrupted lessons, perhaps just get them out of the way during any crucial bit.

Jon Snow, tonight, seemed desperate to know when the U.N. is taking over from the Americans, in Haiti.

I've noticed that, when reporting on tragedies like this, the media seems a little hesitant in the first few days to explain the complexities 'on the ground' (i.e. the 'real world' situation and the pragmatic decisions it engenders), preventing this, that or the other from happening, preferring to complain. Those who are interviewed then have to fill in the blanks, at the same time as trying to get across urgent information. I'm sure the situation would be just a little easier if the media didn't hinder things. They could be part of the help. I'm sure many countries are still in the situation are getting the bulk of their information from the media and so accurate reports - perhaps, not blinded by a slight anti-Americanism - are paramount.

Just a thought.

Try again, being particularly touchy this evening and anyway all the teachers mentioned are most likely severely dead and may never walk again ?

#16 Brilliant observations JAperson

Perhaps especially the bit about school teachers, when I was a secondary modern in the early 1970s the best teachers we had were well qualified trades people often with an engineering background. The first three years of Physics was brilliant as taught by Jack Wright, ex RAF bloke with practical engineering experience. We learnt more useful practical in life stuff in the first three years with him than we got on the alleged O level course under an idiot with a BA in two years. All he was interested in was that you never called him ASPIN at it was ASPDEN, lazy swine just used come in and tell you to copy sections from the text book. He was missing a lot of the time, couldn't see the point of simply copying the textbook, you need different angles to learn efficiently, lucky for me there were programmes like Horizon and all the other excellent educational stuff. Anyway I used the physics lesson time to do homework from other subjects and still got a C despite having to pay to take the exam because Aspin put me in for CSE, but I couldn't be bothered with the course work project homework. These days pupils spend far too much of the time being preached Shakespeare, would be far better to practice written English through something like geography or history. I believe that physics has disappeared and become part of a combined science course that can never be as good as taking the individual subjects.

One of the most memorable episodes in my secondary school education was the close links between both the science and math's departments. They collaborate on practical jokes on certain pupils by masters. Perhaps the best one was sending somebody for a long stand, which I witnessed personally in one of Ma Sharpe's math's lesson. Said pupil would come into the lesson and state " Please Mrs. Sharpe Mr. Wright ( the physics master ) sent me for a long stand ", not so stupid request as it might seem as Ma Sharpe did in fact possess a " long stand " which she used to illustrate the practical in stuff like geometry. However said pupil would make said request but Ma Sharpe would continue the math's lesson for another ten minutes or so. When she ended her spiel said pupil would ask " what about my long stand " to which Ma sharp would retort that " you have already had it ". It took a couple of seconds for the penny to drop after which said pupil would make a speedy exit to avoid the embarrassment. I never quite worked out whether it was a punishment for stupid pupils who disrupted lessons, perhaps just get them out of the way during any crucial bit.

Please read and confirm of you know is true. Tonight watching the news about Haiti. From an onlooker outside of this area it strikes me that there are many UN people and charities and helpers and military, not forgetting all the news media info coming out. However they all seem to be working completely independantly of eath other with little or no communication with each other and working as one big team?.

Point 2 Haitians do not seem to be very aware of what is being done /organised and going on around them. Why does not someone organise , maybe by loudspeaker, ia helicopter or leaflet drops or other means and travel around informing the lcoas of what has happended and how big the incident is and problems there are and that help is on the doorstep, because nobody seems to be communicating with the Haitian population and this may weel help quell the anger and unrest that is developing..

Thirdly , there was a little girl in the hospital with erh father sitting next to he with the reporter waiting for her to die for the want of a simple operation!. Then why don't the helpers, nurses, charities, doctors , reporters or someone just communicate with the military and get her flown quickly to neighbouring hospital if its that trivial and surely would be a quick op!!!?.

I know its pandemonium over there but it will be worse if everybody stays in their own little area and doesn't pull together.

Thank you

When I was at secondary Modern in the mid 1970s the 1950s teacher plan ex-tradespeople were by far and away the best teachers, with one notable exception to prove the rule all those with a degree were totally useless.

I could elaborate further but I'm in the sin bin with it

iraq inquiry

all the witnesses related to the foreign office so far have been hostile, fractious and argumentative whereas the other witnesses seem open and at ease?


Powell seemed terrified of the inquiry focussing on the importance of the dossier? It seems none of those 'pro regime change' were concerned that the media had taken the dossier to mean weapons rather than munitions and were not bothered the public and MPs were given that impression. They seem to treat it as 'mere detail'? Which seems unbelievable given how quickly the political class usually put out 'corrections' when something is 'misunderstood'? Look how quickly action was taken over the 'dodgy dossier' story. No 'ho hum it doesn't matter' attitude there?

JP seemed often unable to remember anything of consequence relating to the questions asked?

his strategy for dealing with insurgency [waiting it out in the long term] seems detached from the uk's ability both in manpower and finance to implement it? He seems to think in decades? As if the uk had the resources to be fighting several never ending wars?

In response to there not being enough troops and after being told by UK military chiefs they needed 250,000 troops to invade afghanistan [he questions the military science behind the large estimates] he claims Afghanistan was in the end 'done' with a few special forces.-Done? Afghanistan was not 'done'. 'Winning' the 1st phase is not 'done'? Which is why we are still there? Were the military chiefs not now proved correct? Why did they ignore their advice?

if one put all the FO style witnesses statements together on a dvd anyone would think Iraq was some amazing success of which we should be proud, any failings were minor and we should do again without hesitation?


he says its too early to talk of success [but not too early to talk about 'success' in kosovo etc].

Also [last 3 mins] in response to chilcotts question 'is it not possible to measure the success or failure of the iraq strategy by the abiding opinion of the british people themselves'? he doesn't think the opinion of the uk public matters but only those of iraqis.

So brits die and spend gold but their opinions on Iraq strategy doesn't matter? Who are we? Serfs? at some Lord's beck and call? To be used as mere playthings? What a high and mighty world they live in to hold such views at how inconsequential the lives of the british public?

astonishing.

"Doncaster's Social services."

Although the 'social services' representative and Jeremy Paxman, tonight, almost valiantly succeeded in not saying it, surely the key phrase of Labour's disastrous reign is 'Lessons must be learned'.

Kirsty Young earlier summed-up the '70s, in her amateurish and Leftie Islington way, as a decade of 'sexual' change and little else. It is really worrying that the last decade will be summarised, in another suitably absurd way, as one where 'celebrity' became the national obsession and not the endless national catastrophes where the failure of the Left reached its nadir, prompting 'lessons to be learned' everywhere you looked.

'AXIS OF EVIL' IS A PUSSYCAT COMPARED TO THE 'SPECTRUM OF NASTINESS'

In Britain, today, there is a spectrum of nastiness. TV runs the gamut.
We can watch highly realistic, severe, beatings with close-ups of the battered recipient. At the other end of the spectrum, there is the 'edgy' Newsnight interview, with its gratuitous, theatrical offensiveness. The SPECTRUM OF NASTINESS is now so seamlessly installed in our viewing culture, that few even comment on it to the young, let alone prevent them from absorbing its ethos.

When worthy bodies seek out failing organisations and dysfunctional homes for negative comment, with regard to their impact on children, they have only done half a job, if they fail to highlight the insidious influence SPECTRUM OF NASTINESS.

POLITICS IS DETERMINED TO OUT-MONTY Mr PYTHON HIMSELF!

We have got kind of used to Brown being a parody of a parody, but what has now got into Dave?

Hello Dave! I gave up being destroyed by education, having scraped half a technical qualification (1958). I went on to found a company that gave me a living for decades, and 'in the evening', I HELPED MY KIDS WITH THEIR HOMEWORK. But at no time was i ever p to teaching anyone? Do you get these ideas yourself - Dave? Did someone knock all the common sense out of your head on the Playing Fields of Eton? Was it the Wall Dave?

Outstanding debates by Jeremy both with Liz and then with Loughton & Jones on the Doncaster fiasco. 31 failures to intervene, and 7 children died, even though they were on the "at risk register." Excellent question raised by Jeremy on why the "executive summary" excludes all the key factors in the case as opposed to the full publication - to which Jones made a feeble excuse. It is thanks to the Newsnight Team that the public have been informed about the failings of social services :o) Perhaps, as a result of this, it will prevent further children dying.

Absolutely love the fact that Newsnight's having a 30th Anniversary Special on Saturday at 8pm! Oh and loved the plastic models and toy helicopter used in Peter's report years ago.

:p @ "this programme used to be so much better you know" ....the cheek!!!!!

MAKE MINE A DOUBLE!

Sorry if this is off topic, but just listening to debate on alcohol intake levels and proposed minimum pricing.

I can only see such a move touching the very tip of this iceberg. Surely the problem originates in our heads (Culture) NOT our pockets.

It seems to get worse the further north you go. Ever been in Oslo on a Friday night - gutters full of Armani suits. Taxation makes their booze astro priced.

SOMEHOW the fact that more and more people (of ALL ages) PLAN their social activities intending and anticipating getting long hammered before they leave their homes. And they think it is clever/funny.

Get that attitude changed - A few tv role models NOT joining the party perhaps; appropriate drama delivered in schools, businesses stopping salaries on those unfit to work through alcohol related effects......

#98 following last Friday's programme

brightyangthing

Well, this is it. Almost no one I know personally calls spade a spade. It is all reading in between the lines, etc. 'Too many people' was the phrase in circulation recently. I appreciate the fact that 'should' read things with a pinch of salt in one's eyes and I ALWAYS see a parallel situation that is being considered but will not go into trying to unravel here what I think it is because further speculations might arise of what I really feel and think.

Let's leave this one at that, for the time being.

mim

#27

Brightyanthing

Smoking is a bit like drinking, difficult to stop once one starts. Some people only smoke when out having a drink while others get so used to it they do find it quite difficult to quit whatever they are addicted to or obsessed about.

You talk about the culture of Armani suits ending their days/nights in the gutters but there are also very poor cultures where rags end up in gutters, with the Russians probably more afflicted than any other nationals. I don't know where the Poles lie on the statistical scales but there are certainly quite a few of them lying around in the early hours of the morning but these would be from the poorest backgrounds, I think. As far as I can gather the Polish middle classes earning comparatively good bucks have not got into the binge drinking culture but I can swear by it.

mim

#102

jauntycyclist

not another word from me about you, I promise, whatever I might think about your posts

mim

#30 addendum

jauntycyclist

not only that but also apologies if I have been wrong about you

mim

#27 Ah BYT I listened to that discussion as well, and I'm at a loss what do about our drinking habits.

What young person ever looks at the safe drinking units on the back of the bottle or can?!!!

We have always had a drinking culture, I think it's in our soul. Look at Hogarth prints, look at the misery over the centuries drinking has brought on us. It also seems to be a northern europe thing, look at Russia etc.

Look at all the TV programmes that people are having a glass of wine or beer in. No one can sit down and chat in a soap, they have to be opening a bottle of wine, and pouring large glasses.

I look at my children, now grown up, none of them regular heavy drinkers, but occassionally they drank too much. It seems to all be in peer pressure to me, you're the loser if you don't join in and get plastered. Probably the same pressure situation for drugs as well. Oh and must never forget celebrity culture and the awful influence that brings.

My daughter is one who has a drink at home before going out, fortunately not much, but most of her friends since the age of 13 have been drinking, and generally speaking their parents knew. My daughter didn't and was regarded as mad, and had to look after and help the drunks home.
She is now a teacher and sees the same problems in the young pupils she teaches.

One big problem in this country and would also refer to tonights programme, is parents seem to have abdicated responsibility for their children and their behaviour. Perhaps the nanny state has interferred too much, now parents expect to be paid well to have children, and the teachers will teach them everything, not just education but how to behave as well. My daughter is involved in the SEALS programme, (social and emotional aspects of learning) now why is a teacher not just teaching their chosen subject, why do they have to worry about the social and emotional life of all their charges.

In France I believe, teachers just teach, any social problems are managed by outside bodies, namely social services. No teacher gets involved in the personal side of kids lives.

Teachers can't do everything it's a very draining job, ticking the boxes takes hours, and not stepping one hairs breadth off the line, i.e. musn't touch a child on the arm etc. needs all their concentration. Natural adult child behaviour has been stigmatised, often she has a girl crying her eyes out in front of her, but she mustn't lay a finger on this poor girl. Also parents seem frightened to discipline their children, because they all have to be mates these days, adults won't grow up!

SheffTim (#15)

Good points. Well made.

#32 Lizzy

Sorry, unable to give full attention as work demands have somewhat overwhelmed, BUT........

".....What young person ever looks at the safe drinking units on the back of the bottle or can?!!!"

If ONLY it were ONLY the young. I watch parents of young children set the MOST appalling examples on an almost daily basis. And these largely middle class and middle income.

And you are right, it is NOT new, but I do think that the numbers taking this form of leisure activity to the limits we now see, and thinking it the norm IS an issue.

My great Grandmother was frequently picked up drunk on the streets of London - something that my mother suffered because of. THEN, Boozy Sarah was looked upon as a poor mother/person. Not entirely sure if this was helpful - may even have added to her woes, but nowadays her mates would applaud her, laugh with her rather than at her, an be in a screaming rush to join her.

PROGRESS?

I think NOT.

ALCOHOL INTAKE AS A SYMPTOM (#32)

Ho Lizzy. Way back in the past, once we had got our big brain, it granted the facility to drive ourselves mad with thoughts. Perversely, it also gave us the cleverness to discover a range of substances that 'turn it off', worldwide.

The more complex (demanding) life is, the more our thoughts hurt, the greater the need to switch off. I have posted before about the Reading Drug Czar who (fifteen or so years back) made it plain: THERE IS NO ALCOHOL PROBLEM just human problems anaesthetised with alcohol.

POTENTIAL wisdom lurks in many of us, but it is stifled by the lauding of cleverness. (Think Balls.) 'Alcohol' cannot be defeated by 'dealing with' alcohol.

WISE UP THE YOUNG.

SEALS (#32)

Does the SEALS credo acknowledge that 'education' is really 'schooling' (for Mammon) - an institutionalising influence, that tends to inhibit individual psychological growth? I'll investigate when I have more time.

Uk Society

In the same way there is no nation building model in the uk there is no human building model [they are related]. To suggest there is a good model for human conduct is considered discrimination by the nihilist moral relativist consensus.

e.g 1xtra pumped out [as a public service!] jihadi and gangsta rap even though the sentiments expressed in that brainwashing music are against the law. People praising, through song, those who live a lifestyle of serious criminal acts.[like homophobia, sexual violence, theft, drug dealing and killing]

how could that happen unless there is no recognition [also called ignore-ance] of a human building model? That some qualities are closer to the good and there are those further away and that one should freely choose to cultivate the good qualities.

Each person has a power and an adult is someone who freely chooses to use their power for good. The default position is to use that power selfishly [like children-'me me me']. Until people choose to use their power for good they are not adults. Some never make that choice.


uk communities can be terrorised [sometimes to death] by one or two families while the police do nothing. The nihilist moral relativists have made it illegal to the right thing. Which is why people do not want to get involved lest they become victims of the nihilist state laws that create a reign of terror. Such that teachers refuse to go on field trips, police refuse to go into water to save lives because of health and safety and they would have been punished etc.

until there is a recognition of a good model of human being how can there arise the good society? as it is the State and its agents institutionalise and propagandise nihilist moral relativism that promotes a terror through society of doing the right thing.

Haiti 'Transformation'.

the next white middle class playground where they can experiment their pet philosophies?

Iraq Inquiry

J 'i can't remember' P got off lightly on NN given the damming evidence? One new thing that popped up that Iraq for him/them was part of and consistent with the socialist ideological politics of 'getting rid of world fascists'. Which is something they kept quiet and out of their election manifesto? Which explains why Blair said he would have used any excuse that 'worked' to go to war? And why JP said he saw no problem with that position.

Which takes us into a whole new direction behind what was really going on? Using the opportunity of the USA need of a revenge war for their pet Socialist Ideology?

it gets more and more bizarre.