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Mein Kampf Vs Quran

#1

misery camp vs quality?

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So the country is paying a foreign potentate to visit?

1. Please examine the role of the catholic religion in the spread of aids, and overpopulation. Ask why they feel the need to out-breed their competitors at the cost of creating more misery, and is that what their version of God stands for? Look if, the atheist Marxist Chinese can realise that the greater good is to limit the population by the one child policy why the Catholic church opposes this? Make them justify their policy.

2. Ask what's so wrong with female half the population that makes it right to exclude them from their business? [Go back to the early church where gender equality was the norm - pre 1200?]

Book burning: Is this is just an example of how the Liberal Democracies try to export freedom as consumerism? If many of the countries now ruled by authoritarian Islam expanded their Human Rights in the way that the USA and its allies are inducing them to, I suspect their leaders would very quickly lose control, and their people would soon become eager customers for all sorts of enthusiastic foreign companies and entrepreneurs for their regulators are their religious infrastructure just as our church once was. Remember the bomb detectors sold to Iraq?

This begins with little erosions of curtailments of freedom and then spreads like an infection. That's the way that these nations see it.

Looking back at the US and EU over the past fifty years or so are they wrong?

4. At 5:27pm on 09 Sep 2010, John_from_Hendon wrote:

You ask a couple of questions; here are a couple of answers:

1. It isn't so much that Catholics are over-breeding, its more that secular people are now under-breeding. Some say this is why, across Europe and the USA, and Russia, we have ageing populations and pension problems, (and many other problems besides). This is not controversial.
How we deal with it is a real problem for politicians..

2, Gender inequality in the Catholic church is much like the inequality in physics which you raise elsewhere. It used to be the case that like physics, the church too attracted the intelligentsia, but it just happens to be true that there are more males who are good at maths and physics than there are females, and that is because of the more conservative range of the female distribution in ability. The attraction of the best to the Catholic clergy (and in former centuries, most educators were in the clergy) was also ultimately bad for their populations, the Catholic clergy were also celibate, which of course meant that they didn't contribute to their populations' gene pool. Who induced them to do something so self-destructive whilst not doing this themselves? When one looks into that, one begins to see why there has been a battle for many centuries.

#3

Rampant and unscrupulous 'don giovannis' could easily be controlled by women but unfortunately some of us are not wise and clever enough to do so. I wouldn't necessarily call them prostitutes, with some of them being too naive to know better or they are, what shall I say, loose women or women out to get their revenge on 'their own don giovannis'.

If I myself am on a revenge, it's for something entirely different. It's too personal, however, for me to talk about it in public.

It might be that I am extremely untypical in many ways and difficult to deal with but then I didn't sit down one day and thought to myself 'Perhaps I ought to become untypical, unique or whatever?'. It's partly, I suppose, a combination of 'the accident of birth', rich emotionally upbringing and my life so far. Get it?

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin.
The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them,
but leave them the power to create deposits,
and with the flick of the pen they will
create enough deposits to buy it back again.
However, take it away from them, and
all the great fortunes like mine
will disappear and they ought to disappear, for
this would be a happier and better world to live in.
But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers
and pay the cost of your own slavery,
let them continue to create deposits."

Sir Josiah Stamp

So a few questions for the political bigwigs :

Why is money created as debt and not value ?

Why is money created by banks ?

#60

Far too much time was wasted. I can't think of even one tutorial given by those two worth remembering. I was also hoping at the time to have some of my essays discussed or marked in some depth at least but all i got were a few scribbles. One other tutor, not of literature, put down 'not bad' as his only remark on my first essay on the Russian thinker, Alexander Herzen.

I am not saying that any of the above tutors didn't know their subject but in terms of getting substantial feedback from them they were hopeless, or scared perhaps but that is not an excuse when it comes to serious studies.

Thanks for the film Kevseywevsey. Mein Kampf = Koran....
Why is it that the Catholic Church is pro-AIDS, pro-population expansion(against abortion and contraception) and bigoted (homophobic, yet is not prosecuted? Hurry up Geoffrey Robertson and get the Pope arrested!

Does tabblenabble01 stand for table no 1, I wonder. If so, counting from the left or right?

"THEY SNEER AT PARLIAMENT" (Tom Watson)

Oh - that is so, sooooo rich. Westminster sneers at the voters of this country, with a sneer that would grace the lip of Hob himself. And now we might be offered a vote on 'AV'. A sop of tinkering. There will be dancing in the streets.

While Westminster 'calls its own', through the party filters, those registered to vote in Britain will continue to be biblically mocked. To wipe the sneer from the face of Westminster: SPOILPARTYGAMES.

#8

Sir Josiah Stamp was at one time the top man at the LMS railway, then alleged to be the largest private company in the world !

10. At 6:45pm on 09 Sep 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:

"Hurry up Geoffrey Robertson and get the Pope arrested!"

Are you attracted to women? If not, does that make you a homophobe?

That's how this odd 'logic' works you know. It's the people who promulgate that reasoning who are perverse, not the people who have normal sexual preferences.

welfare cut by 4 billion? funny. that is exact same amount mainly millionaire landowners get merely for hoarding land. no sign of cutting that trough?

7 Myths About Green Jobs, can't link it direct because its a pdf but this link should get you there, thinking particularly of Mindy's_Housemate.

8. At 6:35pm on 09 Sep 2010, flicks2 wrote:

"Why is money created by banks ?"

Because when we borrow money from them the compound interest (our debt) becomes an asset on their books, which they can lend or even sell on to other people. That gives the appearance of money being 'created'. In fact, it's money owed hence.

The problem always has been interest and people's behaviour (see that quote form DG?), which is why so many religions have warned against (or even proscribed) it down the centuries. This has been deregulated over recent decades because we're allegedly all equals now and we don't need a nanny state telling us what we can and can't do. Caveat emptor now reigns, and saying that some people have the impulsivity and numeracy akin to children is now deemed highly offensive (or bad for business take your pick). Some would say that this means that those running financial services now reign and that they deserve all they can get as those who are parted from their money are not children, but fools. Some people draw a parallel between exporting liberal-democracy and its banking system to the developing world, and a kind of paedophilia - can you see how some of the countries on the receiving end of the export of Liberal Human Rights might see it this way, and be very angry about it?

Here, it's what the electorate allegedly wants (i.e not a nanny state), so one has to ask, "who's complaining?".

Here's an example of the magic of the human spirit:

Does anyone agree with me?
mim

I had to visit my local bank branch today.

The bank teller handed me a note...it read.....'this is a stick up'

Have you heard the news?

Apparently, Fidel Castro has revealed that communism doesn't work. Amazing.

I thought this could do with a poster, to commemorate the momentous event. Something along the lines of Fidel, in full flow, emblazoned with the slogan - as there has to be a slogan - "'Communism Doesn't Work': so says Fidel Castro." The ubiquitous 'Che Guevara' poster, beloved of our Marxist-educated student body, could do with a riposte and this would be perfect.

Imagine the two, side by side, engaged in an imaginary intellectual debate.

Has anyone else seen that rather annoying TV advert....'We'll by any car [for half what it's really worth].com?

What a complete and utter total disappointemnt!!!....I'm talking about the London 2012 Olympics opening ceremony!

#19 Damn!....I FIU...it should have read...

I had to visit my local bank branch today, a long journey it was too!

The bank teller handed me a note.....

BOYS' EDUCATION DISCUSSION: TWO MINDS AND A WINDBAG

Rather comic that Malone's task was to improve the boys' communicating skills! The windbag had been to the 'Tony Blair School of Communication'.

Men really are turning into women (well probably)!

"Apparently, Fidel Castro has revealed that communism doesn't work."

Actually.......he didn't, what he allegedly said (as reported by Goldberg writing in 'The Atlantic' was:

"I asked him if he believed the Cuban model was still something worth exporting.

"The Cuban model doesn't even work for us anymore," he said.

This struck me as the mother of all Emily Litella moments. Did the leader of the Revolution just say, in essence, "Never mind"?

I asked Julia to interpret this stunning statement for me. She said, "He wasn't rejecting the ideas of the Revolution. I took it to be an acknowledgment that under 'the Cuban model' the state has much too big a role in the economic life of the country."





But... note, the Chinese didn't think that the Russian model worked after Stalin died in 1953, and that was because they saw Russia becoming revisionist after that. That is, they didn't think it was Stalinist enough. Today, China is still Socialist, the largest Leninist/socialist nation on the planet, it's just that their model of communism is 'socialism with Chinese Characteristics'.

As Goldberg went on to say, Castro now sees himself a world statesman, as a diplomat. In his view, he probably sees the USA as having recently
(financially) nuked itself.

The interview with the ex nun was a good illustration of modern irrationality.

If you give up on a faith because its principles are not for you, fine, that's your choice, but it makes no sense to then say that the faith itself should change, because its principles don't suit you. That's as irrational as saying that one stopped drinking red wine because one doesn't like the taste, but that one thinks that red wine should be made to taste like white wine because one does like white wine!

This sort of bizarre thinking is becoming ever more common these days, and it is pathological. It wasn't just Vatican II which was a mark of this subversion back in the 60s either. See Dawkins on "Enemies of Reason" - and see my early post on this matter too.

good debate conducted by Gavin with Watson and a former Sun journalist who swore a few times, and it is a story that has 'legs' and may come to embarrass the coalition even though most of the 'abuses' occurred under Labour....

#28

Do you 'ever' feel embarassed, stevie, or are you 'beyond' any repair? Do you 'remember', turkey?

#29 addendum

Are turkeys still running in barnes?

#30 addendum

winkie, winkie?

no '32'

do you think you might be an 'embarassment' to this country and mankind itself, in fact? police?

action, reaction? filming and recording? to get the Nobel Prize?

On a brighter note - 'Pomp & Circumstance' from Donald:



Re: a magic inspiration of how to get out of the mess

mim

:p Hmmmmmm

I had to smile on the way into work this morning.

There was a piece on Radio 4's Today programme about the Pastor in Florida who is threatening to burn copies of the Koran. The Immam that spoke with the Pastor was talking at length about his discussions with the Pastor. In an exasperated voice he said..."the Pope has sent him [the pastor] a message, the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has sent him a message...even Barack Obama has sent him a message!....who is waiting for?...a message from God!!!'

#36

That's evidence that his ears and brain are not completely blocked to advice, suggestions and sense, not like those of some of the NN bloggers. Tragic, really.

Besides, it must be a 'great' job where one's allowed to blog throughout working hours as one pleases. Unless, it's part of 'the job', spook?

Last night I watched with interest the item on the Soho Masses as part of the piece on the forthcoming papal visit. Whilst I felt that, in the main, it was an excellent piece, there was some sloppy journalism in that you missed one of the main points which is precisely that this is not a Mass for the LGBT community but is a parish Mass which gives an explicit welcome - and there is a world of difference between the two.

Certainly a good number of those of us who attend belong to the LGBT community but there are equally very many "straight" people in the congregation. Some travel long distances to make this their regular place and time for Sunday worship; others are simply parishioners of Our Lady's and this is their normal Sunday Mass.

This did not come across in your piece - which perhaps suited a purpose of demonstrating a reality at odds with the normal run of Catholic Life.

It is sad to see such a slip in what is one of the few remaining bastions of good investigative journalism we have access to. Your piece would have been all the stronger and would have raised more questions with reference to the papal visit had it made the point that what is happening at Our Lady's is becoming normal across the Catholic community.

Some women seem to find dealing with facts rather difficult...

Emma Thompson: Sorry, I meant to say they stone gays on the Isle of Man

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4 billion is nothing

Mr Osborne why dont you tell the public that bankers make money out of nothing from the debt of everyone else. Therefore as a concept money is not about working or value in the society we now have, its about exploitation via greed for the minority at the top of a pyramid and debt servitude by everyone else. Fractional reserve banking and naked short selling amounts to legalised counterfeiting (not in the strict legal sense of the word)

So its not about not being able to afford benefits, Its about jump starting debt servitude and making money for the wealthy out of the poor (when they have a job of course) The less informed, less educated, with little in the pocket, a job but no will to save always go to the bank for a loan, hence fractional reserve banking kicks in. Of course they will need a bit of job security for the banks to offer the loan.

The concept of money is only fixed as a meaning by enforcement of a feudal system with the shell of democracy over it.

As a concept Money must be recreated as value not debt servitude

Mr Osborne

37 mimpromptu wrote:

"Besides, it must be a 'great' job where one's allowed to blog throughout working hours as one pleases. Unless, it's part of 'the job', spook?"

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A revealing comment mim.

btw...it's NN that blogs...I just post!

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"24. At 11:29pm on 09 Sep 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
BOYS' EDUCATION DISCUSSION: TWO MINDS AND A WINDBAG

Rather comic that Malone's task was to improve the boys' communicating skills! The windbag had been to the 'Tony Blair School of Communication'."

I've never understood this. Why are they trying to make boys more like girls? All over the world girls do better than boys in communication based subjects (and if you look on the streets you'll see that females nearly always have their hands/phones to their ears too). So why is schooling which is very communications skills based, pushing to be ever more so when we already have a service sector heavy society. Is it because the engine of the service sector is financial and legal services?

Brossen99 posted an interesting link on the subject of abiotic oil yesterday which I thought well worth looking into. It had me thinking back to Thatcher clobbering the miners and why. For decades we've been led to believe that there's an energy shortage, and then we had deregulation, and price hikes for domestic fuel ever since. Of course, the regulators don't have much control over any of that, as it's the markets which determine profit (sorry, value).

Why have the Liberal-Democracies been shaped to be more and more female? Why have they also appeared to become more and more irrational (see Dawkins)? Why do people keep trying to make boys more like girls? The Chinese etc don't. They prefer boys..

Post 1 Kev

Excellent. Savage is nearly as Savage as me.

2 Books 2 Fry, as if I would waste my money buying them in the 1st place.

Frying 2nite..no frying my bacon now

#41

revealing indeed, by your own admission this time though, 'juggler'

#44

what a shame you didn't have the opportunity of learning communication skills in your youth, tb01

Judge The Judge Be JudgeMental

I Judge people by the way they Treat? All Beasties Great and Wee

SPent close 2 2 times 2 years in various parts of midden/middle earth

Dogs I love Dogs They came close 2 death. Dogs are Unclean They throw Stones at them.

When I have A Dog she can sleep with me, I wouldnt sleep with Them

I would rather throw stone at Them.

did I mention bacon buttys and booze

dont they will throw stones or worse at You

46 you are CommunCating that you Love me I Love you 2

Re the Gareth Malone section on boys' education.

I felt rather sorry for the girls in this school. It might be that there is a need for methods of education to be broadened to include more activity outside the classroom, and this might benefit boys, but do girls have to be excluded? Would none of the girls have rather enjoyed chasing a highwayman about or working outside?

#44 correction - it was meant for #43

savaging yourself out, are you? 'good luck'

"Mr Barnier, known for his European idealism, said the Commission is introducing two texts next week as part of a new oversight machinery covering the gamut of finance and investment: one on derivatives, and one on short-selling and credit default swaps (CDS), the instruments used to speculate against Greek and southern European debt.

Mr Barnier said there would be no blanket ban on shorting or CDS contracts. "Short-selling is useful, if used well, but we want to avoid abusive naked short-selling, and be able to take action in emergencies.," he said. His full wrath is reserved for those speculative with food. "I find that scandalous," he said."

This is very interesting and important especially in how it will play out in London. So we will see what the texts says.

Ive never heard Mr Osborne speak of the repulsive issues very rightly addressed by Mr Barnier. Its all about the lazy unemployed and saving 4 billion from benefits. This is laughably (though significant in what it tell us about where the UK govt is) less important when put up against the above.

Perhaps Paul Mason can do a piece on it ?

how come the guardian has got away with not releasing the information it says it has of journos breaking the law? isn't that perverting the course of justice? no whistleblowers at the guardian?

flicks2...very interesting links!

#51

How do you know Mr Mason doesn't have anything to do himself with naked short selling, 'flick'? As for George, I'd rather not speculate i'n the current climate.

mim

#52

My REAL, that is physical, whistling can be quite piercing and loud, jaunty. As kids, we sat on a bench i'n the courtyard whistling away to our hearts content. One could say I didn't have a bad beginning really. Very rich emotionally but quite playful as well.

mim

49. At 11:00am on 10 Sep 2010, nebula1 wrote:

Might this just be a money making or mischief making racket? Look at the OECD PISA results and compare 15 year old boys and girls all across the world. A pattern emerges. Why? Why are some people so eager to try to change nature?

mindim...beyond redemtion I'm afraid...

55

you are mainly noise on this board. you say you do not even watch the show so you must only come to spoil it for everyone else by spamming nonsense?

'39. At 09:25am on 10 Sep 2010, DebtJuggler wrote:

At risk at being collateral damage on a nascent 'ism-event, that's one luvvie who is now assured of a slot hosting any show they wish on some broadcast channels.

If they aren't guest rentanobjective quote already on many others already.

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..it makes no sense to then say that the faith itself should change,..

no. if narratives are derived from metaphysics then the narratives can change without affecting the underlying structure. one part is eternal one part temporal. who wears togas today? however church structures are not based on narratives but local customs. you could do away with most of what the church rules are with no diminishment.

its funny to see people who claim they are experts at science and atheism to thrash about in theology and its narratives as if they know what they are doing. its the arrogance of someone saying they know how to drive a car so they need no study of how to fly a plane. indeed they will call it 'child's play' even when nose diving into the mountain.

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I am not that savage, can I bite you? you can bite me

you can also bite my bacon butty

Wind me up I am a wounded wound up Clockwork soldier just point me in the general direction in general general.

OK lets go, where 2? down my local boozer, Its A place where The Devil and its Demons FEAR 2 Tread.

Whilst there bumped in2 A Mother of 2 she told me A tale

The tale goes as follows..last year she noticed that all was not well with her 12 year old daughter her daughter would not spill the beans.
lucky for all a child in the same class told his/her mother what he or she had witnessed.

turns out A Avgan/affgan boy in her class found out that her dear old dad
was serving (H.M.Forces) in the afore mentioned Dump. (all bets are off) then the idiot boy started saying things like your dad is/will be coming home in a box. The Lovely Mum went straight down 2 the school and got it sorted, the idiot was moved, moved elsewhere. I could go on be a Goon.

Question? what if?

what if that girl was MY/YOUR DAughter?

Would I do 1 of the following..

C the headmaster and demand 2 C the Idiot along with idiot parents
pack the bags for Idiot family and send them packing in a box
burn the school down
do a more successfull guy fawks blow job on the houses of parly
ALL of the above

your input graitfully recieved,..maybe

Footnote whilst in my pub I had A couple sherberts/pigs ears including Tax

you idiots are paying for the above,in a funny bitter mines a lager twisted way so am I

I must stop being an Idiot

"if narratives are derived from metaphysics then the narratives can change without affecting the underlying structure"

And what if they're not, and if metaphysics is nonsense (if not psychosis) and all that's really going on when one joins a church is that one signs up to obey their codes of practice?

You see, you make assumptions which I have already tried to explain to you are false, and most philosophers (including theologians) would accept that these days, for logical reasons which you do not seem to have grasped. As you ridicule university education etc, you have missed out on why, and that is a truly consequence of arrogance.

What we are blighted with thee days is metaphysical solipsism aka arrested development;. aka self-centredness;.aka childishness.

Take note. You are writing nonsense, and you really do need to grasp that for your own good.

This talk of 'narratives' is a just a reaction by some disgruntled post 1960s 'philosophers' to try to hold on to their metaphysics jobs given the logical basis of a) indeterminacy of translation, b) inscrutability of reference and c) under-determination of theory by evidence.

Let me (try to) explain that simply. There are, if one looks at how a computer works, low level languages which are effectively execution of a sequence of on and off states (binary code processed by transistors).

Above that is machine language based on the design of the CPU, and above that there are third) and at least fourth in the case of DBMS languages) level languages like BASIC, FORTAN, ALGOL, C. PASCAL etc which are either interpreted or compiled into lower languages before being executed as binary code. The point to note is that there are many alternative higher level languages which are computationally equivalent when executed in lower level code. There are many equations too which are functionally equivalent. This is the nature of analyticity or tautology. This is what I meant by there being many ways to skin a cat.

It does not mean that these are fundamentally different, and so it is not worth arguing about which one is right. It is just a matter of pragmatic convenience. To get lost in such arguments is naive, a case of one not really seeing what is really going on. Hence the widespread silo thinking. There was a revolution and it came out of the Philosophy of Language and logic in the early decades of the C20th largely through work in the foundations in mathematics which was concerned with consistency and reliability of judgment. This is why metaphysics is bow seen to be a waste of time (nonsense), and why so much has changed in society through automation and de-psychologisation (abandonment of the mind), except for those who are confused and lost in high level language squabbles through want of a good education. What matters is action.

Behaviour. Some people today study the muddles of mentalism as a form of behaviour. This is just an empirical discipline however, and it regards mentalism (psychology) as errant behaviour.