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MEN FIGHT - SOME FIGHT MORE THAN OTHERS - THEY FIGHT OVER DIFFERENCE

Why do 'we' laud mercenary soldiers 'doing the job they love' smashing up Johnnie Foreigner and his land but vilify unpaid destroyers, who do it at home?

INCIVILITY BEGINS AT HOME - or it should do, if we are honourable. Would Jesus have urges us to take our nastiness to another land to 'discharge' it? Isn't that like chucking your rubbish over the fence?

I keep appealing for less easy/edgy comment and a lot more psychological/philosophical depth-analysis of street riots, and the like, but to no avail. YOU MIGHT ALMOST THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WE RATHER LIKE IN ALL THIS.

In any sample of males, a sub-set will be looking for a fight (unless you distract them with a surfeit nubile women or extreme sport). This is as true for Police as it is for 'students'. We are The Ape Confused by Language. We shall never achieve 'high culture' until the Ape's needs are put first, and met in full. As things stand, that will be a long time coming. Our MPs neither know nor care.

Carry on commenting.

I thought I had Alex Jones outside my house just now. Megaphone blasting; exposing the lies of the globalists and that 9/11 was an inside job (which it was by the way). Anyhow, poked my head through the curtain and the magaphone noise was just a rag-n-bone man sitting in his wagon, driving round in circles so he was. Any old scrap metal (N E ol skap meataaaaal)...not a goldfish in sight.

Here's one for yer:
Obama healthcare has just hit the skids. Some smart federal judge has just given it the thumbs down due to one simple fact..its un-constitiutional. And to think of all that money that was used by those well meaning insurance companies who readily and very willingly set this new socialised healthcare up..oh dear, how sad, nevermind.

Wait a minute, the tax payer funded that, I'll take that last bit back.
Its true what they say about Obama, he's not into detail..and him a trained lawyer too!

WE NEED JUDGES LIKE THAT IN UK (#1)

Did you know that Equifax, Experien and Callcredit compile their data files from 'lenders' without making any cross check with the subject of the file? When an error of transcription or transmission occurs, such that the file contains an error, the Agency will 'black' (repeatedly) attempted transactions.

If you try to get redress, they ask for money, or that you sign up with card details. We need a proper judge to declare this illegal. I suppose we must impost one - we do for all other jobs.

This is worth bearing in mind, the plan to close down the Internet on the back of Wiki-leaks ?

WELL NOW - DO WE HAVE A PRECEDENT? (#4)

That may well be the plan Bro. And what an irony if the tranche of data, that has been given to Wikileaks, is PLANTED! It will fail to have ANY damning reference to the planning and execution of 9/11 by Bush et al.
It is just such irrefutable proof that is needed to tell the world exactly what Glen Beck was saying. "NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS."

To the open-minded enquirer, a study of the internet data proves that all three towers were demolished with explosives and the whole airliner story was as real as 'Airplane' (does Nielsen remind you of Dubya?). Yet a raft of mad events and mythology have followed in 9/11's wake. Two lessons accrue: 'THEY' will do anything; WE are expected to become compliant.

I have pointed out before: throughout history, the most megalomaniacal men have NEEDED to rule THE KNOWN WORLD. We have a problem: the known world is now the entire globe.

The nutters are out there - the truth IS NOT.

Inflation, inflation, inflation!

LIVING WITHIN THE LIE (#5 additional)



What uunconscionable adjustments to reality, are going on inside that head as he bows to the wreath? Clearly: YES HE CAN!

when Govt is not doing bad/stupid things, the people do not go to the streets.

when Govt IS doing bad/stupid things, the People DO go to the streets.


of course, no street action is *Govts* fault, same as no street violence is ever the *Police's* fault.

the Public is just supposed to 'put up and shut up', with meaningless votes every few years to give a pretence of "an open political system".

but i thought we lived in a democracy??

did not like the continuity on NN last night, the links Kirsty did were not the usual standard i.e. long shots and did not look right, it took too long getting back into focus and a two shot would have been better than the long overview...OK in documentaries and Coast but not Newsnight....

more hayekist 'market is god' that has all wisdom


...Forensic Science Service to be wound up

He said private enterprise, which already made up 40% of the market, should expand to fill the gap left behind by the FSS.


/news/uk-11989225

and people think philosophy is irrelevant to life. ignorance of its errors means people do not have the intellectual equipment to challenge the half baked state mantras.

#5: barry, the leaked documents are medium level US govt diplomatic cables. There is NO WAY that communications about 9/11 passed through there!-

we will have to wait until a whistle-blower blows open the Family Bush records, or Cheney's, or Wolfowitz's for those revelations.


#4 bros: v. interesting vid! Not what normally expected from fauxnews.

DEMOCRACY (#8)

Politicians return - ad nauseam - to Churchill's purported remark: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." But Churchill also said: "Yes, madam, I am drunk, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly." Not looking so reliable a source of wisdom now - is he!

When I was in innovative business, I coined the simple aphorism: THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER WAY. I also avoid drunkenness - perhaps that's the key.

To do better than our current travesty of democracy (the only English word encompassing both MOCK AND CRASS) is not hard to envision. But the game-players of Westminster are a club for the crass, and we are mocked. What do they care for the better way?

#12 barry: he also said "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

well, the "best argument against elitism" is the kind of "elite" we currently have.


jaunty: privatisations are not about "markets". They are about placing ever greater control over our lives to profit-making corporations.

would the new Corporate FSS be invulnerable to pressure, if there was a case involving the owners and directors of the company? There is a reason why some things are in the hands of public servants!

and, as you say, there is a reason why the Humanities are essential to a well functioning society.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

Has Channel 4 News been given the 'green light' to return to its traditionally overt bias? Tonight's was particularly egregious. I don't think one of their 'journalists' passed-up a chance to give us their true opinions. Sarah Smith, in particular, deserves commendation for surpassing her usual lack of professionalism.

As Christmas and the New Year is a lucrative time for advertising revenue, make sure you re-double your efforts to boycott all of Channel 4's advertisers. Money is, after-all, all they understand.

THAT CHURCHILL BLOKE EH - HE'D SAY ANYTHING (#13)

I shall do a 'Dr Foster' in future, where Churchill is concerned Mork.

Shall we have: 'The best argument against coalition government is the Clegg Protocol'?

You have to smile: we have Dave, whose face is not his own, in alliance with Nick, whose signature means nothing. Well - they did say how close they felt. De-MOCK-CRASS-y lives.

HILARIOUS! (#15)

"Money is, after-all, all they understand."

Nice one Strug! Someone UNDERSTANDS money? You will be saying Jimmie G Brown saved the world next. (:o)

some suggestions:

1. a "like" button for posts.

2. put "´óÏó´«Ã½ World News" available to the UK population.
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3. make NewsNight available worldwide as a download.

4. use subtitles instead of voice-over dubbing in reports.

5. allow audience to carry eggs and rotten tomatoes into the QuestionTime studio.

6. make QuestionTime available worldwide as a download.

'Tonight we'll be considering to what extent technology is changing the nature of protest and asking if it gives people power over authority like never before.'

Well, it certainly seems to be changing the nature of professional reporting, as the rush to be first and/or enhance a preconceived narrative sidelines some professional journalistic basics.

Generating news and sources via twitter seems to result in MPs who are not, saying stuff they didn't, to innocent bystanders wheeled on to make claims that seem to be unravelling.

Maybe time to get back to facts from those qualified in sharing news, and leave opinion to others?

That said, how traditional media allow their mechanisms of broadcast to the masses to be hijacked in the name of ratings or agenda by those of a more excitable nature can and will provide power over authority, if it is staffed by weaker minds. Not looking promising there then, either.

It's funny all this talk of underground demonstration etc, information via twitter and facebook, as nine million adults in this country haven't a clue what they are talking about... .... more twitter/facebook people have knowledge around the world than those living here.

And how on earth do you know if any of it is true, that includes governments, subversives etc. No wonder people ignore the news!

9/11 - OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB

Blair - manifestly delusional - rushed to the side of Bush when he launched his CRUSADE on the back of the 9/11 lie.

Susan Lindaur



was instantly branded delusional by the same administration because she tried to expose the lie. (Very Cold War USSR!)

Who is the EVILDOER in all this? Will Chilcot crack the code?

WHAT THE LAGGARD LOGGERS LOSE OUT ON (#21)

Flashing, rolling, come-and-going, ANNOYING advertisements, directed in style and content AT THE SHORT-SPAN YOUNG. If the internet were a tool SOLELY of wisdom and gravitas (found more often in the old) it might get a greater uptake in that cohort (going forward).

It's like the roads (and, since the cycling cock-up, the pavements) the older person does not belong. (Although they are fighting back on the electric silent annihilators.) And let's not lose sight of the fact that ´óÏó´«Ã½ output has gone the same way!

Anger

as long as people act out of anger they are a mob. mob law which is a gangbangers mindset.

anyone who breaks their internet suppliers rules [ie botnet etc] should be disconnected from the internet.

Demonisation of the upper classes? A Grovelling Question?

Monarchy role gaming demonises everyone not of their invented class. It is a structure of apartheid to create a form of language where one says 'i am special and you are common and i expect you to behave according to this station i have invented for you. If you don't i will use the law and police to force you'. It is also anti democratic, racist and sectarian. So why do NN do a propaganda piece for them? Is that not demoniacal?

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according to the neocon theory [see strauss] there is an inner circle of golden souls who are allowed to tell the common people lies to get them to do 'the right things'. They see war as a moral purifier of the people that has benefits for society so will try to keep one going or start one if none exists.

ULTIMATE INDICTMENT OF BRITISH CONNIVANCE AND COVER-UP OF EVIL



Pilger's damning report should call up a storm - will it? Or will an ENSUING SILENCE validate and confirm his thesis.

We shall see.

Headteachers comment on EMA,

"Tonight we'll be considering to what extent technology is changing the nature of protest and asking if it gives people power over authority like never before."
The ´óÏó´«Ã½ is still failing to make the important connections. It's like giving AK47s to 10 year olds. See where that leads elsewhere?
This is not what democracy was supposed to be. To wield power responsibly, one has to understand it. Anarchism (and its modern euphemism like localism) is in practice just exploitation of the vulnerable by those who do well economically by preying upon (abusing) them and their vanity (i.e those who think and behave like women and children). It is sold as grass-roots freedom and choice, but it is nothing of the kind. It deprives the vulnerable of state protection from predators.

Please stop supporting/encouraging this.

ecolizzy (21) "And how on earth do you know if any of it is true, that includes governments, subversives etc. No wonder people ignore the news!"
As long as large numbers are completely befuddled, they'll continue spending at the supermarkets (some online) and probably by running 'apps' and thus debt (using 'credit it is called to make it more palatable) due to the phone companies too.
It really is a case of the more stupid the consumer base ('electorate), and the less aware they are of exactly how stupid they are (through grade and qualification inflation and the forbidding of testing etc) the better it is for the corporate economy and all who slavishly peddle their wares for a living (there's an inclusive loop there).
Is it really any wonder that the Chinese and their allies feel very little compassion as we slowly drown in all this filth?

SAUCE FOR THE GANDER
barriesingleton (23) "And let's not lose sight of the fact that ´óÏó´«Ã½ output has gone the same way!"
For what it's worth, I fear you protest far too much about style over substance for one who asserts that he's too old to learn, especially when each day you comment extensively upon what you learn from the news, and allegedly not from those who objectively know better.
Might you be battling with singletonism?

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investigative journalism is completely dead in official broadcasting even if one would think this was 'core public service'.

i remember the great debate board was still open and it was infested with neocon internet warfare teams hounding anyone who questioned the official narrative.

The FO is a neocon bot that conducts an information war on the british people?

Is NN one of 'the castrated' by the fear of israel? Going to pump up and collude in war with iran?

questioning the official narrative seems a skill that is lost?

jauntycyclist (25) "according to the neocon theory [see strauss] there is an inner circle of golden souls who are allowed to tell the common people lies to get them to do 'the right things'. They see war as a moral purifier of the people that has benefits for society so will try to keep one going or start one if none exists."
Actually, Jauntycyclist, if you'd looked into this more thoroughly, and had the respect to follow what others have been advising you do for some time instead of naively thinking that you can go it alone like Mr Singleton, you would have picked up on the fact that in fact, and rather ironically, it's an old Greek (Platonic) idea - The Noble Lie. It is because most people can't be educated so have to be fed what they can understand. Tell them the truth and they can't grasp/take it. It isn't a conspiracy, it's just the nature of human diversity.
Next time you see some youngish person rapping/complaining that they're being treated as if they're stupid, just ask them how bright they think they are. Ask them what their test results were in the National Curriculum etc. If they say they were not very good, ask them whether that makes them 'stupid' or just not very bright, and then ask them if there is really any difference.

These days, there is bling value to having an education, even if it's 'off the peg' (down a back alley) so to speak.
Respect? Didn't Mr Blair do away with all that in favour of consumerism?

barriesingleton (26) "Pilger's damning report should call up a storm -will it? Or will an ENSUING SILENCE validate and confirm his thesis.
We shall see."
Reading your (ever more numerous) posts day by day, I do get the distinct impression that you really don't know who or what to believe about anything, primarily because you are too busy denigrating all of those who are in authority, or who might know anything more than yourself. I see much the same behaviour in jauntycyclist, and regard this to be a very sad sign of our decaying times (which I note both of you like to write about).
What concerns me is the way in which you know how to sneer (with charm and erudition), but not much else. To what end? What do you want? Do you know?
There's a term for this behaviour, and I suggest you look into it - but as you keep telling people that you can't be told anything, you're probably best left alone.
Do you see the problem? It leads to depression you know.

ecolizzy (27) "Headteachers comment on EMA"
Actually, she isn't, and she's looking for a job....
She writes:
"EMA and the culture it creates turns our poor children into goons who go to school because they’re being paid to. They haven’t ever had to think about what they want out of life and plan for it: because the system never lets them.
EMA should be scrapped, not to save money but to save our kids. Money doesn’t always fix social problems; sometimes it is the cause. Why can’t the do-gooders see that?"
Answer: because speaking the evidence-based truth is strictly forbidden in education like elsewhere, even when it comes to wannabe conservative politicians like this lady. You try getting her to speak the truth about why kids are not doing well in school and Mr Gove would slap her in irons as fast as he could say begone CVA as that would mean he couldn't close down (aka privatise) schools for failing to teach the kids properly. After all, the problem isn't in the kids is it? It's in
their environments (somewhere) isn't it? Isn't it odd that Sure Start didn't have any effect?
Such logical conundrums don't occur to Mr Gove.as that would cramp his chutzpah? When his eyes widen, and he speaks quickly you know he knows he's being naughty. But does that stop him, no.
Wicked.

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you mean the myth told to soldiers in the Republic? it is an essential misreading of Plato to assume the Republic is a template for a society rather than a model of the human soul blown up to show where justice is. What Strauss did of Plato is no different to the material literalists who think the bible is fact. These are just children playing at togas to make them feel important. A role game. Like monarchy.

why not do a course in plato and be purified of such imaginings and the spreading of these erroneous amateurish conclusions.

#34 But cote she did speak out, do you think she'll be muffled then?

jauntycyclist (35) "you mean the myth told to soldiers in the Republic? It is an essential misreading of Plato to assume the Republic is a template for a society rather than a model of the human soul blown up to show where justice is."
Go and skim Popper's "The Open Society and Its Enemies" which Thatcher raised second only to Hayek's libertarian drivel.
"What Strauss did of Plato is no different to the material literalists who think the bible is fact. These are just children playing at togas to make them feel important. A role game. Like monarchy."
Note it was you who referred to Leo Strauss, and as the Neocons learned from that charlatan, you do too, not with metaphysical claptrap which you imagine the "soul" to be. Such mistakes stem from wrongly thinking in terms of properties and pre C19th logic instead of relations. Such thinking leads to essentialism, metaphysics, and for some, madness. Take some advice.
"Why not do a course in plato and be purified of such imaginings and the spreading of these erroneous amateurish conclusions."
Because I know better, i.e. I have a couple of millennia advantage over Plato, i.e a better education.

ecolizzy (36) "But cote she did speak out - do you think she'll bemuffled then?"
Look more closely. She's blaming the Labour Government and ultimately teachers or 'the system'. She is not holding pupils 'responsible'. That is, it she is not referring to within-pupil variables. She is being used politically, and she herself clearly wants limelight or else where is her working on identifying the problem (she's a languages teacher).
The problem lies in within-pupil variables as much as low ability amongst staff. It's a major problem which won't be solved by reference to magical psychological factors like motivation or free-schools.