大象传媒

VINCE THE INVINCIBLE!

Magnificent Vincent has challenged the quasi-leader; did he clear it with Nick, or is this a play for Nick's wobbly throne?

If only it made a jot of difference to Perverse Albion.

SPOILPARTYGAMES

Ah thank goodness for once NN is discussing mass immigration, that'll make a nice change. Oh and Mr Watson won't have the numbers, not even the ONS has that, illegal immigration etc. I wonder how honest the 2011 census will be, and if anyone will compare it with the 1911 one, now that would be interesting!

Shades of a 60s Birmingham speech? no not really, unless you've watched it reported on the 大象传媒. The only difference is that Powells speech was based on one mans experience (the partition of India) Daves offering is due to the up-and-coming May elections and written by a party hack.

History can teach us quite a lot. One of those lessons that can be helpful in studying how different cultures living together can be problematic. There is many an example of this but why do the libs insists in pretending to look away from it? I know liberalism is a mental disorder (and should be treated as such) but surely to God anyone with half a brain -and that includes Clegg and Cameron - must recognise that we are going down a dangerous path with multi-ethnic communities...I mean, its a given. Why don't the libs see that?

It was recently reported that political views all depends on how the brain is structed. The conservative brain person has a higher sense of danger and they generally base their opinions on life experience. The Liberal brain operates somewhat differently..its full of dithering sanctimony.

P:S. I never brought into the Vince cable myth; I've met smarter waitresses before now.

yes, but will he jump ship? ....miss that ministerial car...weekends at Chequers...debates with Jeremy on Newsnight....oo it is a lot isn't it? never mind, eh?

Vince is warming up and getting ready to taxi out the Enola Gaye, I reckon - the LibDems have clocked the polls and can see that they are going to be toast next month, plus the AV vote looks likely to go against them.

If going into coalition means their Party is heading for dustbin of history and the prospect of electoral reform is now dead for at least a generation, then Clegg has blown it big time and the rank & file are going to want his head.

As the reluctant one in the LibDem ministerial ranks, Vince is the logical successor if Clegg is dumped - so in order to be seen to lead the rebellion in the Commons, Cable is positioning himself in readiness. Slagging Cameron's speech is just the start of his plan to take over.

If this happens and there's an election in the autumn, I think the Orange Book plotters who used the coalition agreement to ditch their official Party manifesto and replace it with their Orange Book policies that were rejected by the LibDem Conference, I'd see Clegg and several others simply crossing the floor to the Tory Party - IMHO I can't see Cable doing that, so he needs to prepare the ground by creating a whole series of disagreements and grumbles to justify the final break when it comes.

It won't be enough for him to act on his own - expect other prominent backbench LibDems to start a groundswell of discontent as well.....

I鈥檓 absolutely livid!

I am absolutely disgusted.

Truly, I cannot believe what has happened to this country!

We must get our priorities sorted!

I am so, so, so angry I鈥檓 pretty close to 鈥榟itting鈥� the Caps Lock key !

(Such self control! It鈥檚 hard! .... but .... 鈥淪till small voice ..鈥� and all that!)

No, I鈥檓 not writing about the waffling Fairy Tale of banal rhetoric this lunchtime from Deity Conmoron.


( Nothing new, just continuation - following a bit of half-hearted 鈥榯inkering鈥� - of Labour introduced policies. Nothing new for improved outcomes. Nothing specific to make a dent in the enormous backlog. Nothing concrete to act as a firm deterrent. Nothing to curb net immigration increase. Nothing to increase the 鈥榠ndigenous鈥� skills base. Absolutely nothing to control the unsustainable birth rate increase. The only real significance of today鈥檚 鈥榰nsliced baloney鈥� is the timing! )


The actual subject of my - near suicide invoking - distress?

We know next to nothing as the cause of the majority of still births in this country!

(Please consider reading the above line again and then read on .... )

But we do have a 鈥楥lassics Department鈥� that offers the hypothesis that 鈥楻ule Britannia鈥� may have been influenced by Greek history!

Really! .....鈥�.... may have been influenced by Greek history鈥� ..... Shock, horror, probe!

I need to sit down!

No, really!

鈥� 鈥楻ule Britannia鈥� may have been influenced by Greek history! 鈥�

So loobdy what!

How much did that little 鈥榣ife changing鈥� gem cost?

No wonder they鈥檙e all intending to charge the maximum fees!

Try this as a hypothesis .....

Mickey Mouse Departments lead to Mickey Mouse Graduates which, in turn, leads to unemployed Mice!

Discuss.


Welcome to Britain ( query 鈥榚x-Great鈥�) in the 21st Century!


Post 鈥榩ost鈥� Script.

Moderator., I hope you鈥檝e got plenty of coffee to hand? I suspect that you may be busy tonight. Don鈥檛 be too harsh on 鈥榩oster鈥檚鈥� .... It鈥檚 now acceptable to opine on immigration and not be tagged 鈥榬acist鈥�!

"Call me Deity' say's so!

For now!

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#5 It's all boiling along nicely Richard



Election by Christmas didn't you say? About right I think. ; )

Opinion offered on ....

5. At 14:08pm 14th Apr 2011, richard bunning wrote:

A suggested alternative outcome (perhaps?) ....

If 鈥榦nce they all agreed with me鈥� the lower limb leader survives mentally long enough to face the black cap he鈥檚 more likely to ask his friends to find him a city advisory 鈥榡ob.

And if 鈥楴ot quite so able鈥� does grab the poisoned chalice he must, in keeping with the fashion, rebrand the party!

(Working on the basis 鈥榃hatever they do, that it鈥檚 too late for the Lib Dims!鈥�)

My suggestion .....

鈥楾he Liberal Titanic Party鈥�

Anger=ratings.

And, as Eric once said, 'there's a lot of it about'.

Shame it seems to get created as much as discovered.

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unlimited immigration is just as extremist as no immigration. we have unlimited immigration from the EU [200m] including all those illegals given amnesties in other countries. The EU and their supporters are the extremists.

Even the Observer had an article on Sunday



Pity the graphs aren't there though

So, as I believe, the Business Secretary Vince Cable had a 'private' chat with the 大象传媒 correspondent Laura Kuenssberg this morning, and within minutes she spewed out this information with girly excitement live on the news channel, PATHETIC!!

Like the playground snitch, is this what the British media has resorted to? It seems the 大象传媒 pundits are falling over themselves to be first with the days gossip rather than the serious news agenda. First Nick, now Laura, next please!!

Have to say Arianna is not a shocking surprise to me and I understand her analysis - she used the fact that the art world is by nature feudal and artists just dont get it. I once pointed out what was happening on Huff Post on Huff Post and another commentator told me I was just jealous that my work wasn't in an important museum . Arianna exploited that brainwashing and brilliantly so. The art world is full of wannabes who will just do anything for 'a break' They would be far better off removing all their money from banks and buying silver at spot price . Its you artists who put yourselves there by accepting that important curators of important museums are what you aspire to attract. You have total tunnel vision devoid of the ability to truly challenge what has happened because you dont have the where with all to grasp what the true nature of the world in which you live is, an importance that is so disgustingly rotten to art and amazingly important to make art about, sadly your silly little head is stuck up your art dealers ego.

It appears it's a complete unknown as to how many and who lives in the UK these days!



And then cameron talks of a big society, just how is that going to be managed with a totally disparate peoples.

CHRISTINA ODONE AND THE NHS EXPERIENCE (Question Time)

Not Manglish this time but full blown Nonglish!

Yet the Blog reserves the right to refuse comments that are written in anything other than English - Welsh and Gaelic may be used where expressly stated.

I wonder if that's discrimination?

"We must be mad - literally mad!"

The immigration debate is still being viewed from the wrong perspective.

Saying that DC is 'politicking' is merely admitting that the views of the ethnic majority have been ignored for five decades.

But DC is not now considering the views of the ethnic majority, he is considering the views of a regional minority - in the northern seats

Reading the links posted above (thanks) it is apparent that the discussion is still couched in terms of 'the immigrant' - what immigrants are doing, where they are living.

Margaret Hodge spoke very bravely yesterday when she made clear that talking about numbers will not make this 'discomfort and disjointedness' disappear.

Until politicians consider what their policies have done, culturally and economically, over the last half century, to the ethnic majority in this country, and start making reparations on their home territory instead of blaming the ethnic majority for their own predicament, I suspect the friction will continue.

Isn't it funny how the achievements of the English are always either the result of the environment (better climate) or the result of oppression (Empire). On the other hand every single achievement of every single migrant is applauded as a sign of their 'efforts'. But we hear nothing about extended family strategies, pooling finances to loan to extended relatives, using contacts both in this country and the 'home country', benefits of dual citizenship, legal support networks, (sometimes funded by the govt) etc. etc.

#17 Well said wappaho, I agree with you completely.

It would be good for people to listen to the despair of people like my ag茅d mother (92) she lost relatives in both world wars, and we were only trying to keep out other europeans then!

She is in utter despair at how this country has deteriorated, unfortunately she has had stays in hospital, and finds it extremely difficult to understand the myriad of accents aimed at an already partially deaf woman. Barrie would describe it as Manglish.

Why do english people denigrate themselves so much, why are we the problem in our own country? The middle classes look down on the chavs, and the rich laugh at the middle classes who are struggling to become rich, there will never ever be social cohesion in this country ever again. You can't bring hundreds of other races into a country and still call it that same country, it's just not possible. The immigrants have completely different lifestyles to the english, we are truely a lost race.

I don't notice whole cities in Africa, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, that are taken over by minority whites. Yes there are enclaves of british in France and Spain, a few hundred thousand, but most of them are retired people, with their own money to live on, (although I see it's running out!) so are not a net drain on the host country. Unlike here where we seem to feel we must have the worlds poor to live. And even if they don't live here, they can walk in and get any amount of free care on the NHS! And don't tell me they don't, they have been in beds next to my relatives.

An interesting fact I learnt last night, a third of the english live in the South East, now that's not overcrowding much is it?!

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Yes 大象传媒, why is it? Why do you hate the indigenous people of Britain so much? Even your history and nature programmes often say, there are no indigenous people of Britain.

19. At 09:01am 15th Apr 2011, ecolizzy


Another interesting question. On top.

But one is sure it will be addressed by an approved representative of national views when it comes to 'guest' 'expert' 'commentary over the next few days.

I'm guessing a nice young firebrand from a niche viewpoint, working for a publication struggling to push ABC readership from the 5 figure levels it gains from freebies and institutional support, will be deemed much more of a finger on the pulse.

'13. At 19:40pm 14th Apr 2011, stevio ... PATHETIC!!

Her tweets are an eye-opener, too.

Never fear, by such actions she's apparently down to take over from Nick Robinson, so it is the cr..eam of the cr..op that rises to the top after all.

WHY ARE WE THE PROBLEM IN OUR OWN COUNTRY? (#18)

There's a very large book in that question Lizzy.

A very thoughtful chap - Robert Ardrey - wrote a whole series of books in that area of enquiry. He postulated that HomSap is the product of STRUGGLE in the distant past and now, as such, cannot contend with an environment of ease and plenty. I would add that ease and plenty are exacerbated by science and technology.

And here we are: wallowing in perversity - the final frontier - the edge of life as we knew it. And, as if the Antichrist had come among them, the 大象传媒 just LOVES EDGY.

The field of human psychology is buzzing with marvellous insights, coincidently as post-industrial man (and woe-man) negates himself to oblivion, by the most painful route.
As so proudly in the past: England leads, pell-mell.

PRAY FOR 'BAD WEATHER'.

#18 Ecolizzy

"....there will never ever be social cohesion in this country ever again. "

Not sure there ever was EcoLizzy. Can you give date, time and place?


AND

Who are the indigenous English? Can you describe them? Can you give their heredity? Did you see Neil Oliver last night discover that his oh so very Scottish father had virtually no Scottish DNA descendants back though the millennia? He was of Eastern European descent back to the stone age and pre history.

I think there is a very great danger in attempting to label a race/culture and a point at which they existed in a cohesive unit. Back in the mists of time, family (tribe) battled neighbouring (indigenous) family (tribe) for food, hunting rights, land, women ......)

I am in complete agreement that our governments (colour and inclination immaterial) need to put policies in place that place the onus on the incomers to fit in: standards for language; official acceptance of culture, law and practices; working for your rewards. And that these should be rigorous and time/rewards limited.

But we are, or at least can be enriched by the other cultures. Then perhaps the onus swings the other way. On us (pun intended) to embrace and develop anything that is good regardless of the source.

To pick up #17 Wappaho

"But we hear nothing about extended family strategies, pooling finances to loan to extended relatives, using contacts both in this country and the 'home country', benefits of dual citizenship, legal support networks, .......)

This is written as if all of the above traits are bad. Surely not. What does it say if they are only BAD when someone else uses them to a positive advantage when not in their homeland.

Surely that is a prime example of what we have lost - or perhaps never had to the same degree. Some cultures do exactly as described. They support one another - the much wider family as a unit. Brother helps brother set up a business; children get jobs in the family business (it's not just the 大象传媒 who do this!!!); assets are pooled for the benefit of all; good fortune is shared - bad fortune ameliorated by all others who can. Here, we are much more likely to jealously guard what we have even unto death; then fighting and bickering over the spoils.

My FiL was an immigrant; he took dual nationality. He made a good life for himself through education and hard work. He supported his extended family - including those less fortunate 'back home'. He paid (heavy) taxes in the UK which he called home for 60 years. He purchased British made goods and services. He raised a family to follow in his hard working footsteps and now we hopefully are offering the same to the next generation.

But back home/duality for him was white, catholic, professional and Australian. Would he be tarred with the same brush? Perhaps we should ask the tens of thousands of people who benefited from a procedure he was largely responsible for. Perhaps his sons and daughters; perhaps the British charities he very quietly supported for many years.


Much talk of cohesion and mobility - the buzz words of the naughties or the coalition era. Neither have ever shown truly successful outcomes across social, ethnic, cultural, religious or gender divides. They sound good; they sound positive and desirable, but are they really? Can they ever be? Should they be?

Perhaps differencism is what we should be embracing. Surely that is a more cohesive policy.

Vive la difference!

UM . . . (#23)

Regardless of terms (to me indiginousness/indigeneity is in the head, territorial, not the genes) I still see the problem as our disconnected Westminster rule. They play games.

They gamble with our money, go to war with our blood and funds (Johnnie F is carp), and apply perverse logic to ghettoising areas of Britain - etc. They tinker with NHS, learning, socio-economics (fags n booze) and so on. It's all games. Then they swan off to pre-lined nests, well above the detritus-line.

PERVERSITY R THEM.

#24

"....(to me indiginousness/indigeneity is in the head, territorial, not the genes) "

Oh you can't get away with that. It's far too subjective - and immeasurable.

Politics (party) stinks. I get that. But what exactly does it have to do with the price of eggs? And what sort of bunch of rotten ones would replace the basket of cracked ones we currently have?

And if closing all our borders is the answer, just how do you propose we repel all borders? (perhaps that's a question to Lizzy). With kind hearts and coronets - or perhaps with men and weapons.

And can I please have a day pass before they do?

I am very anti labels, especially ones ending is 'ism or ism. Does that make me labelist?

#23 " Can you give date, time and place?"

Yes BYT I did think a bit after I'd written it, but it wasn't often as you imply. In every country there is a tiered system of people, but we did seem to be more homogenous than most.

Yes I did watch the Neil Oliver programme, very interesting, I was expecting him to be of Spanish or Italian descent, but he seemed surprised, I wasn't. But the expert was talking of maybe 300,000 years ago I beleive. I expect I'm of Norman and Romany (Indian) descent, when I consider where I live, family research and work that was done.

Yes of course all populations change and mix, but the core values usually remain the same, but ours are being swamped, purely because we are so willing to accept all and sundry, and allow them to follow their own ways. I'm not against immigration per se, I'm against the word "mass" we are a very small island, we haven't the room for millions more people, whether born here or immigrants. Just how will we support them all. You are lucky and live in a remote place with few people, something I'm hoping to do when retirement allows. I expect you read my comment, a third of the english live in the South East, and that's not counting all the holiday makers, foreign students, and illegal immigrants, they all graduate to the south east.

I do come from a family that has always supported each other, even if several times removed, so I find it very sad that division seems to be the only way forward. My son has researched a lot of family history, generally speaking we didn't move very far, but were involved in a big way in the local community and church, and lived very long and prosperous lives, i.e. not rich but having enough to feed and cloth themselves. Naturally we are dying out, we haven't had the large families of previous generations, but I also remember government warning people that having a lot of children wasn't a wise move, as JJ said that was a great failure, and ended up that we needed immigrants. Just like China is discovering today, they are getting short of workers, (one child policy) and those workers are demanding less hours, more money, and better conditions.

Like you my MinL was foreign but embraced england and the english with gusto, she even gave up her french nationality, she was so proud to be english. She taught in schools, gave language evening classes, was a tour guide, and helped with the local twinning committees. I know an awful lot of french people,

#26 continued Oh dear, I must have written too much! OOpps. This is the end piece!


I know an awful lot of french people, and they think we are mad with our opened arm attitude to all. One of her relatives has also done a lot of family research, again they didn't move far, were all artisans, and had good steady lives, much like our own.

Too many people around the world always think the grass is greener and they can get a buck faster somewhere else, instead of looking to their own community and how they can improve it.