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WITHOUT INDIVIDUAL INTEGRITY, COMMUNITY IS DOOMED.

You cannot legislate for integrity, it ARISES from mature, 'whole' being.

Where is the Secretary of State for MATURE WHOLE BEING? Where are the 'Whole Being Academies' (that once went unnoticed as Mothering, Fathering and Childhood, within the Family)?

Sterile debate. It's 'angels on a pin' time again.

MAMMON IS WINNING.

Why isn't David Laws going to jail?

He wrongly claimed over 拢40,000 in expenses since 2006 and didn't repay it until he either came out or was forced out when his homosexual relationship was about to appear in the Daily Telegraph in 2010.
There were also some interestingly creative property house deals with and for his male friend.

Others got jail for less money. Why not him?

NN tonight 鈥渁bout the relationship between openness and personal privacy鈥�..what we should be allowed to know鈥�.and what all these sex scandals tell us about 21st Century sexual behaviour in Britain."

Could be part of a larger debate about the Human Rights of individuals 鈥� versus - what is in the best interests of our society, which has degenerated to the point where we have little right to persuade other nations and cultures to adopt 鈥榙emocracy鈥� - as we know it.

Last night鈥檚 鈥楾onight鈥� (ITV) dealt with cases where the HRA1998 (as interpreted by learned lawyers and judges) defied common sense and the rights of society.
The cases of violent criminals, murderers, rapists and paedophiles being released into our society because of 鈥榯heir right to family life鈥�, etc., are well known to most of us. Yet some contributors attempted to cite cases where the HRA protected the vulnerable.

HRA, by focussing on Individual Rights, has devalued the Rights of Society and ignored the Responsibilities of all members to a society. Although Cameron has confirmed his belief that a Bill of Rights is required (that will hopefully redress this important issue) I believe his review team is heavily loaded with the status quo lefty liberals.

I am presently fighting a battle about the degeneration of discipline (in a faith school) which turns a blind eye on disruptive pupils and believes it can reform even those pupils with criminal records. I鈥檒l have more on this later; meanwhile I believe that the right to privacy of an individual should not be paramount over the right of the public in cases where society is affected or put at any risk. Although I have no interest in the misdeeds of 鈥榗elebs鈥� there should be disclosure and penalty in cases where they hold public office or are represented as role models for our baffled youth.

WE MUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT EDITION OF '20 VISION' (#3)

If Hislop dares. He does have limits to his courage - the Conservative Party can be a no-go area, to my certain knowledge, so it might spill over into Laws' Law.

The Minster Monster is a powerful beast. Under it aegis, Dave's Tories might prove as nasty as he is. That NO Campaign was enough to frighten the stoutest of yeomen.

Interesting times.

@3
I read a report this week of a doctor who was charged with dangerous driving -resulting in an accident that killed another driver. The Judge gave the doctor a non-custodial sentence on account he had an important job. Thats how it works. There really is one law for some and another law for others.
I was up in front of a magistrate some years ago for a speeding offence. I was advised by a friend whom happened to be a magistrate and a freemason. He told me to give a certain signal with my hands and a comment of submission in a certain manner. I got off with the speeding offence. Thats how it works. Furthur up the food chain the rules of the game are played somewhat different.

DEMOCRACY JUSTICE AND THE RULE OF LAW (#6)

I was an uncalled witness twice - the court did not care that I knew germane stuff.
Tidiness was their intent; justice is hard work.

Thank god I was never a juror - I would have out-done Hancock.

My dad knew a JP who told of some miscreant who addressed him as 'My Lord'. He was let off. . .

Don't leave the house.

"I was advised by a friend whom happened to be a magistrate and a freemason. He told me to give a certain signal with my hands and a comment of submission in a certain manner. I got off with the speeding offence. Thats how it works. "

LOOK matie we intend to lock up the banksters so dont get publishing any hand signals !

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF O'BRIEN ON QUESTION TIME?

I generally look to the non-politicians for some un-whipped perceptiveness and balance. O'Brien's righteous, gratuitous vitriol, put him firmly in the Dave Zone. I suppose he is seen as 大象传媒-edgy.

I wonder what skeletons might be tapping on the door of HIS cupboard? That can make a chap over-compensate.

9 don't ask questions about a certain bbc presenter who had a super injunction as it get modded.

O'Brien was a joke on QT, he rolled over a few times when things were 'explained' to him and the blonde lady on the panel was Thatcher MK2 and views to match, Blunkets dog was quiet, and the programme was very good...

oh come on, Auntie, do tell we are all agog, it will be out on Sunday, can't contain myself......yawn....

'what we should be allowed to know'

Here 'we' go again, especially when some 'we's' are more 'us' than others... er.. 'them'.

As already covered, it's who 'you' know. Or, on occasion, work for.

Regarding the privacy and superinjunction issue, you just cannot legislate for what people might write on Twitter or Facebook. A great many of them are humble folk in any case so its no good suing them as they might concevably be men and women of straw but since when has there been a law against poverty. No, this is a battle between the rich and the even richer. If A N Celeb (rich person) sues the even richer Daily GetsEvenWorse then the Daily GetsEvenWorse will pay up. What I do object to is that we are using a load of judge time and judicial resources to do this thing, rather than using judges incredible intellect on real law. Its all about which celeb has had their feelings injured and this is daily fare within the media industry. The real news is that poor people have feelings too and its their plight with which we should be concerned.

#14 DH wrote:

鈥淲hat I do object to is that we are using a load of judge time and judicial resources to do this thing, rather than using judges incredible intellect on real law.鈥�

That surely depends on what you mean by real law, your Honour.

Although I agree with your main point, my gripe is that judges鈥� incredible intellect seem to be used more on studying and applying the minutiae of the wording of legislation than on dispensing fair and just judgements 鈥� with particular regard to the needs of society rather than exclusively those of the individual - too often the offender.

With regard to other judicial resources, whilst it is accepted that prosecuting and defending counsel will use any means to win their case (and their fees) judges should surely look beyond the wording of a piece of legislation, often poorly drafted, or without being fully tested and trialled on a full range of circumstances that may not have been anticipated at the drafting and enactment stages. Case law seems not to be developing in the many cases that now seem to hinge on the one-sided Human Rights Act.

Another current issue regarding the use of 鈥榡udicial resources鈥� is the judgement against Network Rail, which appears to result in a fine of 拢3million being paid out from public funds and into...where? The only winners will again be the army of legal eagles who have argued for and against the judgement.

LEFT BRAIN LAW - RIGHT BRAIN JUSTICE (#15)

If you have the right mentality (quasi OCD/autistic) there is a visceral thrill to be had with language - the more (seemingly) precise, the greater the thrill. Patent writing takes one into this surreal realm, and I suspect law is similar. Justice, on the 'other hand', should be a million miles away from such rigidity.

It has been shown, repeatedly, that men and women censure their own and opposite genders DIFFERENTIALLY. Sexual offence cases are a particularly interesting area of study.

But law is about 'tidying away'; justice is about humanity. Law is coupled with retribution, justice with amelioration. The immature tend to law; the wise to justice.
In this Age of Perversity, justice must wait; and will wait a long time if Westminster is any template.

IS ALASTAIR CAMPBELL THE NEW McCAVITY?

I am still waiting for this wizard of news management to come fearlessly into a TV studio near me, and explain the unexplainable - as only he can (could).

He is reported as having 'nothing to add'. Well - er - no. I rather hoped we might get a RETRACTION from him! With luck, we will see Tony's house of cards collapse (like a 9/11 tower) coincident with the implosion of the entire charade.

Then - 'as there has been such terrible loss of life' - I think we should 'pull' the Afghanistan adventure, and any others based on The Great Lie, flushing out our evildoers at the same time.

Macavity was a parody of Macheath - here's a little extract:

"See the shark with teeth like razors.
All can read his open face.
And Macheath has got a knife, but
Not in such an obvious place.
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And the ghastly fire in Soho 鈥�
Seven children at a go 鈥�
In the crowd stands Mac the Knife, but he
Isn鈥檛 asked and doesn鈥檛 know......."

The original song is MEANT to be ugly, not like the jazzed up versions:





It you want all the words in English, google "dreigroschenoper libretto" and its the second result, a pdf file.

I generally fly the Kelvin Mackenzie flag but Hugh Grant made a good case against the manner in which our daily tabs operate. I don't always buy into that often said 'we have the right to know' line. 'News'papers increase their sales with these torrid reports: an actor has a knee trembler with a hooker, a football player pays for sex etc. It can be argued that envy plays a part in the uproar against these super injuctions: the rich and famous have more opportunity to indulde, they have the means etc..is this just collective jealousy from our tabloid press and the usual need for increasing circulation?
I've never paid for sex - the wife, her sister and the mistress wouldn't be impressed if I tried but I'm sure 拢50-拢100 can get a man a good time..we only ever need about half an hour at most, so you don't have to be rich to 'have some fun' and it can all be done in a lunch hour.
The hacks get good juicy stories whilst getting a bit of action on the side themselves then go all sactimonious with piety whilst trotting out these sex stories. The real sad part in all this is that people would actually be interested in these stories...whats even sadder is that there are job descriptions such as media lawyers..and -as always -the real winners in all of this.

Huge Grant has given a good account for the right to privacy, and has therefore forced me to rethink on this issue, an issue I didn't even give much thought to anyway. Still, I've never seen a film that he's been in that I liked...but that's just me.

A good news story: Dave Gilmour performed with Rogerwaters at the O2 whilst performing the Wall this week. Now thats the kinda story I like to hear. That and Man City bring home a cup (I live in hope)

What a depressing Fri 13th. The new blog format is a travesty. It breaks my heart to see Watriler couped up in a box and Bluesberry's polemic chopped within a sentence of existence. Battery-farming the public intellect!

If the contagion spreads to the daily commentary I shall sorely miss the characterful, sometimes elegaic and sometimes persuasive, rhetoric, rants and rambles. The mod-costs could so easily have been swallowed by returning all, but the truly sinister abuses of, freedoms of speech.

Gramsci must be twitching at the news of such a coup d'articulation. The new look is crisp and professional and, just in case the content isn't, hegemony has been restored via in-house software (harshtread).


'what we should be allowed to know'

not, apparently, the wind speed (i.e. revenue) for private windfarm installations that block public views. With no hint of local residents receiving compensation, the windfarm manufacturers see no hypocrisy in appealling to the Council's duty to provide renewable energy, essentially, as a *public* good.

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The day scientists show us how to think with one side of the brain at a time, in a coordinated task-appropriate manner, will be interesting!

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yuk, yuk, yuk, kevsey! (and yuk to men passing pronouncements about feeding babies, frankly).

oh, and, forgot this:

MY COVENANT WITH JOHNNIE FOREIGNER

"I will do all 'in my power' (and within the constraints of British de-mock-crass-y) to persuade the voters of this country, never again, to tolerate a delusional, warmongering leader."

i.e. NEVER TO GET OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE

Irreversibly signed.

SAMPLING SKEW? (#22 link)

If I am right, the major fault in post-industrial HomSap is failure to mature. This would mean the investigation into liberality might only yield results pertaining to juveniles, rather than some unrealised expression of mankind.

SPEECHLESS

Even if I had someone to write it for me.

Dave is following the Sun - how appropriate for a god.

Could he not have had the police look into the McCann abduction without the high profile?

Nuff sed.

Definitely one for further consideration

Get the feeling that there will be a split in the US military and a powerful faction will act if the $ looks like its going to hyperinflation or another crazy false flag op gets switched on and the same policies and banker employees are in place. Let me tell you; all those who have supported the cover ups either by ignoring it, lying or failed to act re the banks; you will be on the other side of the coin and its going to be really toasty on that side for you lot. Think about that lovies and sweeties of the 大象传媒 while you attend to your hair, makeup and smug ever so slightly pompous affected blabbing speak. Some may take um-bridge at paying more than a small fortune over the years to you 'presenters' But no the seriousness isn't sinking in yet is it .
Don't worry it will.

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL'S BLOG - YOU'LL BELIEVE A MAN CAN FLIE

Campbell even provides a link to the video of his Chilcot evidence!
Recommended viewing.

Nuff seen.

The American Dream - everybody - as not seen on the 大象传媒



And just remember with fractional reserve banking the loan didn't exist - physically leveraged on nothingness forced to pay back what is not there. Plus you had liars loans the incentive for which was credit default swaps (bet on a default) Do any of you remember Robert Peston - (sweetie that he is) at the time incredulously saying 'well they gave mortgage loans to people who just got out of prison' And that was it. I saw or heard no in-depth explanation of the sub-prime scam from the 大象传媒 . The same methods now being used with Greece.

Good Post!

(Very concise, but 672 characters!)

@28 again. Everyone should watch this YouTube video. It beggars belief - even for an old cynic like me.

BANKER ETHOS BEING GLOBAL, WE HAVE ONLY HAD ROUND ONE (#28 link)

But the same is true of the Westminster 'clean-up'. The anaerobic sludge remains.

Those scoundrels are never going to scour out either end of the money-power continuum.

Carry on voting.

if an injunction that falsely preserves a 'good reputation' that is necessary for personal career, in the say the media, should they be allowed and so allow someone to personally gain from suppressing the truth?

how come Marr wasn't on explaining the moral basis from which he asks people questions?

JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CLEVERNESS RUNNING AHEAD OF WISDOM (#32)

We have got ourselves up a gum tree and been 'educated' out of that awareness. Until we get our feet back on the ground, this madness - and a whole lot more - is our lot. Crafty Blair, Angry Brown, Nasty Dave, Pathetic Nick; if these are our chosen ones, then there is something wrong with us.

Sleepwalking within the lie?

good to see the wartime experience of Poland is starting to be told at last.

@ Kevsey #20 - I suspect you're out celebrating Man City's FA Cup Final win

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"IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn, arrested by police in New York for sexual assault"

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Looks like this Russian 'weapon' has been talked about for a long time.

"CLEVERNESS RUNNING AHEAD OF WISDOM" @34 @40(maybe*)

I am often reminded of a W H Auden poem we did for Eng Lit "O" level back in 1971:



* Without further evidence, I prefer the local explanation in your link: "'The workers at Elektron don't seem to be highly qualified if you ask me,' said Gordana, who works at the local coffee shop. " 'As far as I know their main job is selling wine stolen from Croatia.' "

PS The above contains 480 characters.

First Assange, now Strauss-Kahn - spoken of as a possible contender for the French presidency. Perhaps this is the work of 'Servalan', or her equivalent?

IF FRENCH PRIME MINISTERS ARE HALF A DODGY AS BRITISH ONES . . .

It's all in the timing (see my post on the other thread).

This arrested French 'contender' has the feel of the Bobby Moore incident of years back.

Bush and Blair did not only give the green light to 'pre-emptive war' but also to 'black ops', smears, stitch-ups and disappearances. The manual is in the public domain.

It says something that the UK is one of the few coutries that didn't opt to drop border controls - what on earth would have happened if it had - would there have been a Gordon Ramsey style amateur marketing campaign in Calais and Boulogne? Megaphones out and...."Come and try our national dish, we think you'll like it."

#40 refers to #39 which is a video of Vladimir Zhirinovsky talking about this weapon OMD in #40 in very recent times.

Mistress@36
yes I was...and I'm paying a heavy price with a massive hangover from hell :(
but was worth it :o) lol

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"Successful cities (and societies) of the future will be intercultural: they will be capable of managing and exploring the potential of their cultural diversity to stimulate creativity and innovation and thus generate economic prosperity, community cohesion and better quality of life."


I think that's enough brainwashing for one day. After all, we know that the process starts and stops with Fortress Europe;

'A Europe that newcomers consider a refuge and not a hell. If not, Europe will not die from a lack of immigrants; it will die from a lack of light.鈥�


The on-going tragedy of people dying in search of protection is a shame to Europe's civil conscience. These deaths are not isolated incidents. They are the deadly result of the building of a 'Fortress Europe'. Europe's exclusion policy - a policy of border closing that makes it almost impossible to legally enter Europe, that lacks re-settlement programs and cannot guarantee refugees a safe transfer to other countries - has forced tens of thousands of people to resort to illegal ways of getting to a country where they are safe and where economical survival is possible.


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You're such a bore 大象传媒; I cant speculate with any juicy thoughts on here

MULTICULTURAL NURTURE PROBABLY YIELDS INSECURITY (#48)

It is well established that the 'chaotic' home wrecks the individual mind for future competence. We evolved, long ago, in small, samey, groups.

Is multiculture a form of chaos? I suspect that only the 'sophisticated' mind seeks challenging variety; the mundane individual is ghetto minded.

MEDIA BUZZ ABOUT A FEW COMPASSIONATE ASSISTED DEATHS IN ZURICH

Meanwhile, on the Costa Bunga, ill-considered, alcohol-assisted conceptions, beyond count, go unremarked.

THE AGE OF PERVERSITY - GOING FORWARD

@50 Barrie - speaking as a proud - or perhaps grateful - mongrel, I have a different point of view. :-) There is a town, about half an hour far from where I live, which a friend described as "so inbred, that even the dog has a club foot". I thought this was a cruel if amusing joke, until I read about the plight of the red squirrels of Anglesey, where due to inbreeding, the animals are being born with "missing or severely deformed feet".



My mother came to the UK as a refugee in 1946. She started as a nanny, sponsored by a Quaker family in Cumberland. She progressed via cleaning toilets in hospitals, being a clerk, translator and interpreter, eventually teaching in Durham university. She got on extremely well with my dad's northern working class family, and was always grateful to, and fiercely defensive of, her adopted country.

In my youth, Middlesbrough, where I was brought up, had all sorts, including Poles, Jews, Italians (Chris Rea), Welsh Irish, Scots, as well as the local population. The biggest employer was ICI, founded by Ludwig Mond.

You need a bit of variety to spice things up. Generally in Pembrokeshire the women are noted for seeking mates from elsewhere, who then integrate with and enrich the local community.

Of course, just because "some is good" does not necessarily imply that "more is better"; au contraire in many cases. The question is: how do we arrive at the right balance?

DATA SETS AND SET IN OUR DATA (#52)

I suspect we are both largely wrong Sasha.

From observation, I have the impression that 'mundane folk' all live within a set of lies called 'culture' and their (extreme) males tend to the Ape, when confronting difference - particularly en masse - particularly en alcohol. Animal imperatives can lie hidden (Balkans) until lack of 'higher controls' combined with stressing, blow the lid off.

Now we have finger length and serum-Testosterone level and scans to tell us how little cerebral control we have.

Today's 'Big Questions' was a 'delight'. Mayhem over Mohammed - peas and potatoes be upon him.

Barrie - I agree "en masse" is a big problem - and can be big even without alcohol. In my experience women are just as bad as men. A good speaker, preacher, actor OR the right kind of football match can drown all rationality by inducing what Koestler described as a form of mass self-hypnosis, in which "the egotism of the group feeds upon the altruism of the individual".

Such was clearly the case in the Nuremberg rallies, but I have been at quite a few events in my time where I have seen the mob mentality start to coalesce. Even if the mood is benign and not ugly it is very frightening to realise that people are being moved by a wave of emotion, and only a few will later hear "the still small voice of calm"*.

*from the hymn "Dear Lord and Father of mankind."

"Breathe through the heats of our desire
thy coolness and thy balm;
let sense be dumb, let flesh retire;
speak through the earthquake, wind, and fire,
O still, small voice of calm."

@54 Sorry, couldn't resist it: "You're all individuals!"

THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD (#55 link)

Manna to my wounded lobes Sasha. Bliss.

multi-culturalism is the norm, and always has been in human society. Consider: What is the "culture" of the UK, or even just England?

is it the fox-hunters, la-dee-da?
is it the chavs, u wot?
is it the politicians, "no, let me finish"?
is it the traditional working class communities?
is it the Sloane Rangers?
Is it the crusties, the punks, the beat-niks, the ravers, the emos, the tabloid readers, the 大象传媒 viewers, the anti-fascists, the back-packers, the bobby-on-the-beat?

can somebody please tell me which of these Cultures are the one we all have to become, please? Which of them are the "purest English"?

and what about religion? Do we all have to become CoE, Protestants, Catholics, or Druids? What about the Buddhists, the Muslims, the Sikhs, the Atheists, the Jedi? Which of these are the most "English"? And what happens to those who don't like the choice forced upon us to conform?

could it be the Liberalism that allows us to choose between these cultures and lifestyles *for ourselves* is more English than any of them separately? Of course, that freedom also allows some English to decide they DON'T LIKE OTHERS CHOOSING DIFFERENT THINGS TO THEMSELVES, they want to force others to agree with them. In a word, they are fascists. English culture allows people to choose that small-mindedness - *IF THEY WANT TO.*

why? Because England is a LIBERAL NATION, and our grandparents, and THEIR parents fought for exactly those rights to choose. I think it is a pity some would like to drape themselves in "the flag", whilst trying to deny the very freedoms it stands for. But hey - that's their choice, right? A shame they don't have the MATURITY, (Barrie), to offer the same freedoms to others.

it is Liberalism that requires maturity, any child/adolescent can get all steamed up about "purity", and the fascists historically are merely a bunch of hysterical fanatics led by hypocritical charismatics. Just like the various extremist Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist extremist groups. Sooner or later, as mentioned in the documentary 'The Power of Nightmares', this quest for "purity" leads extremists to turn upon themselves. I just wish they'd *start* that way, and let the mature LIBERALS get on with normal, peaceful, co-existent day-to-day lives.

it was obvious Osborne and Legard had carefully prepared in a meeting before the interview with Kirsty, and everything they said was well planned-out before the show. And thats all they said, despite Kirsty's valiant attempts to get some honesty and truth out of them.

i am astonished that Osborne could have the extreme gall to claim "Spain's austerity has led to a improvement for them", when EVERY sane economist in the world knows the PIGS are in deep shit, and that each new "bailout" *FOR THE BANKS* makes the situation worse, and every austerity cut is another nail driven into a national economy.

everyone knows this - EVERYONE!!

apart from "Chancellor" Osborne, and Finance Minister Legard.

who seem to believe that merely repeating old lies on national TV will miraculously make them true. Or at least, confuse enough people to prevent the necessary change in plans to ACTUALLY pull the national/international economies out of their plunge.

btw, the French are 'only' cutting $54Bn, the UK is closer to $180Bn. The French and German Govts are going to watch the UK Govt deliberately tank the UK's domestic economy, just as they are watching Spain, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, and most of Eastern Europe tank - allowing their *own* economies to grow to take up the slack, and and control the new markets.

and Osborne sat there and smiled at Legard, as she outlined how this would happen!

legard for IMF?? Dear God NO!!!!!! I don't know what Iron Brown's opinions are now, but from Legard's performance on NN, she would be pure poison! (unless you are a banker or super-wealthy already...?).

and the way osborne and legard looked at each other during the interview... i only hope she took a morning-after pill the next day, YUCK!!!!! :pukes:

MULTISOLDIERISM (WHY SOLDIERS FIGHT).

1) because they are conscripted. 2) because they are paid. 3) because they LOVE extreme paintballing 4) because they have a genuine fear of alien overrun of the home and hearth 5) "we're here because we're here because etc".



I really don't think my dad and his mates (WW1) gave much thought to high minded ideals - they got swept along by jingoism and posters. (Not unlike the Dave Cameron approach, but without the photoshopping.)

I have a gut feeling there is a flaw in your equating of imported multiculture and (acknowledged) indigenous multiculture. I'll get back . . .

injunctions do not "protect privacy" unless you can afford them.


seems quite simple, that?


here's another simple thought - instead of creating a new law that even breaks Parliamentary Privilege, crucial for our political system, why not simply make the payments for publishing erroneous and slanderous information so high the tabloid holding companies cannot afford it? Plus, make ALL costs go against the media defendants, AND improve on access to Legal Aid - which should absolutely definitely be happening anyway.

the Law should NOT only be for the wealthy, and it is normal people who deserve legal protection MORE than the wealthy - the wealthy have many options to escape the media attention, normal people cannot do so.

at the end of the day however, the ultimate solution is simply to break the stranglehold of the KKKorporates upon British mass media, reimpose the strict limits of media ownership upon individuals/companies, and make the newspapers once again less about celebrity and gossip, and more about actual news.

shocking notion, lets turn the clock back, and repel the Murdock stalkers, spies, blackmailers, and sleaze-merchants from our national culture. And their Tory bum-chums can [bleep] off with them, as well.

"THE BULLDOGS ALL HAVE RUBBER TEETH" (#58)

Speaking of smiling and collusion: how did you get that past the blogdog Mort?

#59: "I really don't think my dad and his mates (WW1) gave much thought to high minded ideals - they got swept along by jingoism and posters."


i'm *pretty sure* the UK Authorities used "defeating Fascism" upon those posters, Barry. Whether or not that was why the nation's LEADERS went to war is quite another matter. Very similar to the current wars in the ME, in fact.

i can compare Islam against Classic British Liberalism through direct experience of both cultures, and i have to tell you - Islam doesn't stand a chance. Unless we do a "4th Crusades", and destroy the very Liberalism that gives us our cultural strength.

all those millions of extraordinarily brave men and women who are rising up against dictatorships in the Middle East - are they looking to the Freedoms of the UK, whilst the UK is looking to impose a Fascist Dictatorship, a racist Regime, and a self-destructive mono-culture upon itself? No, i do not believe so. Despite the obvious attempt of the KKKorporate press and some elements within the 3 condemn(ed) coalition parties to force that upon us.

the cuts will destroy the economy, the artificial banking 'crisis' already teetered it, and either we all accept we ARE different and that is OK, and organise to put the breaks on the Bankers and corrupt politicians, or else we will fight each other for "purity", and they will triumph over us.

multi-culturalism, like democracy, is not perfect, its just far better than any other system. Personally, i don't want to be forced to wear a bowler hat, commute to London, and talk like someone out of Mary Poppins, and i certainly don't want to get stuffed into a "shower-unit" for insufficient "Englishness" by a bunch of retarded racist troglodytes. I suspect i'm not alone in this, despite the churning out of a stream of open fascism by much of the press and media.

the same thing happened before WW2 as well, btw, and the British Public had the great sense and morality to reject fascism.

i think we still have those qualities, and that cultural strength. And listening to the uprisings across the ME, i also think there are billions of people around the world who admire us for that. How many people admire fascist, mono-cultural Germany in the 1940s?

only freaks, losers, and coke-brained aristocrats. And the odd (literally) assorted intellectual.


-- you don't want to be an "intellectual", do you barrie??!? :/



;P :)

#61: i was surprised as well, no doubt *someone* or other will complain during the night and it will go. In fact however, despite the constant bitching from some of the posters here, the mods here are quite liberal with what they let through, - and i speak, as you know, as someone who has torn my hair out in frustration at times at the limits imposed!!

its a pity we don't get to see WHO complained about posts, after they have been deleted. It would be kind of neat to learn that it was the French Ambassador, or the US State Dept complaining.... ;)

night all, time to catch up on sat's Doc Who. :)

COMMENDABLE OPTIMISM MORT?

In brief: Britain has killed mothering; intensified institutional schooling; installed the 'mind-cannula' of TV into every home; glorified the gratuitous killing of Johnnie Foreigner; raised money to god status; under PC, put NBG Manglish speakers into many service positions; all presided over by a mentally ill Westminster.

Whatever sociological label you put on it - urban society is not going to function. And if stressed, it's going to MALfunction unpleasantly. A PPE degree, and a diploma in deceit, is no preparation for public disorder.

@59 Barrie - I read - I wept. Who couldn't? My dad told me enough about Palestine, North Africa and Italy too.

Re multiculturism. Different cultures mean conflict - and cooperation. In the 1950s and 60s, in my home town like many others, it was the brown school uniforms v the rest. We lived side by side, but if a brown/purple school uniform went out with a green/blue school uniform, the priest would be knocking at the door, and maybe the minister too. I could give graphic horror stories of emotional blackmail and abuse, but what's the point? It would be the truth, but not the whole truth. It would ignore the friendship, goodneighbourliness and community spirit which transcended these divisions.

In Wales we have conflict over the language issue. Feelings run high, and national myths based on a manufactured Celtic history don't help. And yet these myths also give dignity to the marginalised. The see-saw swings of power are settling down. We live together bitchily but fairly amicably on the whole, because Britain being Britain, we are who we choose to be anyway.

Re the media and the ruling class: Read these links and sharpen the guillotine blade:




@58 Very Good! I've made a copy of it in case it gets lost in a singularity.

52.
鈥榮peaking as a 鈥�. mongrel鈥�

Probably not as much as you suggest 鈥� if human biology was not treated as if it were a WMD on here, I would post the relevant links.

'sponsored by a Quaker family in Cumberland'

That was my great uncle and aunt so you can imagine how I feel when people lash out with the n, f and r words without having any real understanding of what I or my family have done with our lives.

neither of my grandfathers were in the war because they were both dead when my parents were teenagers - one from an ulcer contracted when he went bankrupt in the 30s, one from malaria contracted in WW1.

my father was assigned to a military hospital in germany which resulted in my mother losing her first child since the neo-natal facilities were so inadequate.

my mother's cousin spent 4 years in a pow camp in poland (camps that were designed to enslave the poles) and only survived the walk back to the uk because a german couple took him in.
and, coincidentally neither he nor his siblings were allowed to take up the grammar school scholarships they won because their working class family didn't see the relevance - so they didn't become lecturers, although my parents were allowed their places and they did.

鈥楽he 鈥�.was always grateful to, and fiercely defensive of, her adopted country.鈥�

Well she speaks truth to power* about her adoptive* country but she did not grow up in a multicultural country as defined in 21st century Britain, she grew up in a country with a shared public consciousness, conscience, code of etiquette, and tolerance of different religious practices.

*A phrase coined by the Quakers during in the mid-1950s. It was a call for the United States to stand firm against fascism and other forms of totalitarianism; it is a phrase that seems to unnerve political right, with reason.


* a鈥op鈥ive/蓹藞d盲ptiv/Adjective
2. Denoting a country or city to which a person has moved and in which they have chosen to make their permanent place of residence

THOSE SWISS HAVE A LOT TO LEARN

The Swiss have voted to continue to allow Johnnie Foreigner into their country to die! Do they not know that the Great British ONLY KILL JOHNNIE FOREIGNER IN HIS OWN LAND? (Randomly, and without warning.)
Indeed, such is the quality of unstrained British Mercy, that our governments put as many obstacles as they can, in the way of the desperately ill, TO DISCOURAGE THEM from using the Swiss impropriety.

Greater love hath no man.

Britain leads in THE AGE OF PERVERSITY.

57. 'multi-culturalism is the norm, and always has been in human society.'

Not in the sense that some would have us believe it means these days.


'which of these Cultures are the one we all have to become, please? Which of them are the "purest English"?'

the point is not who is pure but rather who is being told that it is 鈥榞ood鈥� for them to understand who鈥檚 cultures? and who hasn't in any case already understood them from the endless documentaries and or travel? and who is allowed to say 'actually, i just prefer the culture that i started off with'.

since you ask:

is it the fox-hunters, la-dee-da?
fox-hunting is a multi-co-dependent class activity - the SUB-culture is RURAL,

is it the chavs, u wot?
people who say 'u wot' are not chavs. chavs are a specific SUB-culture of the now disintegrated urban working CLASS-culture

is it the politicians, "no, let me finish"?
another CLASS culture - a multi-racial culture

is it the traditional working class communities? see above - now disintegrated but became multi-racial before sectarianism took off under the multi-cultural Blair years

is it the Sloane Rangers? see above.

Is it the crusties, the punks, the beat-niks, the ravers, the emos, the tabloid readers, the 大象传媒 viewers, the anti-fascists, the back-packers, the bobby-on-the-beat? YOUTH SUB-cultures are a part of the western CULTURE - do they exist in other CULTURES?

/news/business-13156756

"In fact these investment vehicles' popularity, along with the recent surge in the gold price, is further evidence for those who argue the price is being driven more by sentiment and speculation than by fundamentals."

A different view:-

62. i have to tell you - Islam doesn't stand a chance.

do you? really? without knowing very much about me, you don't think that I can be allowed to make up my own mind?


"Unless we do a "4th Crusades", and destroy the very Liberalism that gives us our cultural strength."

I think Bulgaria was the 4th, Vienna the 5th, Bosnia 6th, various dictaorships in the Mid-East, say, 7-15, so we'd be currently on our 16th. That's not a bad record but when you think about the songs that were sung at the Royal Wedding, not so surprising. :)

61. I get palpitations every time I post. It reminds me of clock patience, turning over the King. We only have these fierce and non-transparent censorship systems because of the sectarianism that the unplanned concept of multiculturalism has created. That's the only reason I oppose PR. Not now. We have to let the boiling pot settle but to do that we have to talk instead of just lashing out with the same insults back and forth. If we went into Iraq without a plan then that was just the MO of the Blair years because we certainly went into MC without a definition never mind a plan. It was sheer naive zealotry of the intellegentsia who invaded the Labour Party. Never before was the word culture used except in connection with 'music and dance'. That's very different to 'legislature and governance'.

(holds nose and jumps)

57. it is Liberalism that requires maturity

I agree with you. But maturity is reached and understood through a process of development.

We have lost that understanding of development, of humans as organisms, of societies, ideologies and cultures.

That is the legacy of postmodernism 鈥� it is ahistorical and non-judgemental. But if your child grew up not speaking you would pass judgement on that occurrence and go to a doctor?

Multiculturalism is (now) the 'divide and rule' tool of the corporates, who seized upon a fledgling, and ill-thought through, idea of some very well meaning but rather naive children of the counter-culture. Where is Bob Dylan now, tell me that?

I happen to think that Bob Dylan saw a market opportunity and facilitated a 'movement' that might otherwise have simply fizzled out. I think that about Marylin French as well. I think she grossly exagerrated the dissatisfaction that women felt about their lives and created a collective guilt that has gradually eroded the family as a workable 'system'.

IN AN AGE OF PERVERSITY, ABSENCE OF PLAN SERVES AS A GOOD PLAN (#71)

"If we went into Iraq without a plan"

There is a wanton haphazard quality to Westminster's doings and output. I see it as perverse and incestuous, such that perversity intensifies. MPs 'laud and magnify' the very traits in their wretched ethos, that thinking, aware, parents ARE AT PAINS to avoid in their children. MPs, as a species, have lost connection with integrity. That alone is sufficient cause to

SPOILPARTYGAMES - DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER

@67 I am somewhat ashamed that I had never heard the phrase "speak truth to power" before - and I should have done. Although I am not formally religious now, I attended my local Friends Meeting in M'boro for many years. What they gave me was of immense value, and indeed helped make me who I am.

"That was my great uncle and aunt" - Cleator Moor?

I take your point about sub-cultures versus different cultures. In the end, we need to be ONE SOCIETY. In particular that should mean that the rights of individuals are not destroyed by de-facto social apartheid.

Re Bob Dylon [Born Robert Allen Zimmerman (Hebrew name Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham)]

'Explaining his change of name in a 2004 interview, Dylan remarked: "You're born, you know, the wrong names, wrong parents. I mean, that happens. You call yourself what you want to call yourself. This is the land of the free."'

'Much of his most celebrated work dates from the 1960s when he was an informal chronicler, and an apparently reluctant figurehead, of social unrest.'



He's just another anarchist that was intent on wrecking the society that had nurtured him, his parents and given refuge to his grand-parents.

These prominent anarchists, if not anything else, are certainly very consistent in their behaviour.

Mission creep in Libya? "Fox supports call for intensified campaign" I just get the impression he enjoys his job too much.

/news/uk-13402945

"But former Nato commander Rear Admiral Chris Parry, who was involved in setting up two no-fly zones over Iraq, said the military plan had been made too hastily and the overall political and military aims had not been thought through."

75.

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me (to learn),
In the jingle jangle morning I鈥檒l come followin鈥� you (big time).

And he wasn't joking! ;)
Still can't help but love the songs though!

LOUD AND CLEAR (#76)

"I just get the impression he enjoys his job too much."

Liam Fox reminds me of Dubya. He cannot 'hold the statesman mask' and some triumphal 'possession' is apparent, peeping out.

But worry not - he will be shuffled to some totally incongruous Ministry before long, there to practice the myriad skills of the consummate parliamentarian, on some other hapless area of life.

SPOILPARTYGAMES - DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER

74. Cleator Moor?

doh! no but they lived in kendal and were non-comfs without children so the refugees were a given opp to do work.
Not so much individual as cultural behaviour?

'I take your point'

Sweet. Permission to disseminate granted. :) (I of course dissovulate).

I wonder if you want to take this point as well.
The postmodern paradigm that took hold in the early 90s and led to the rewriting of the social lexicon including the banning of any words thought to refer to innate characteristics, has real detrimental effects.
by aggragating all forms of disability under one umbrella term has this effect:

1. in the NHS restructuring, GPs will have neither the specialist nor geographic knowledge to deal with inborn errors as efficiently as currently because inborn errors are often hard to detect, rare, and early detection is often vital.

2. On the money programme the whole prog revolved around insurance for work accidents until in the last 5 mins a woman with cerebral palsy rang up and said 'I didn't get a chance to buy insurance'.

These things matter; only politics is prejudiced, biology is only unfair.

66. (gor, don't she go on!) 'a manufactured Celtic history'

why not find out for yourself, it's fascinating.


before the celts, brit and spain were occupied by the megaliths cultures. this and others were spawned from 6 paleolithic (>15kya) women who hung out in refuges in spain, france, italy, balkans waiting for the ice to clear. 90% of scandinavian men and women trace their maternal line to one of these six. as you go southeast the percentage of people descended from Jasmine, a neolithic woman in Syria increases, but Jasmine is also particular to Europe. you might expect to trace to Jasmine but by a quirk of history you may well trace to Katrina, one of the paleolithic women. The celts came along 3-9kya. 80% of men in nw scot and aire trace to R1b1b, which as Neil Oliver disovered comes from the Maykop culture in the caucasus mountains. from the NE of England you may well trace to R1b1b also. The percentage for this haplogroup also decreases as you move towards greece.

@79 Fascinating stuff - thanks for the link!

BIBLICAL IMAGE (#79)

"6 paleolithic (>15kya) women who hung out in refuges in spain, france, italy, balkans waiting for the ice to clear." (It's all in the construction.)

That'll be when those ancient Jews were living multiple hundreds of years! Python missed a film there.

But thanks W - I was not up to speed on the Magnificent 6(7?).

yeah, 7 European 'Daughters of Eve'; 6 paleo and 1 neo. (Eve is called Lara).

But of course the girls weren't 'waiting' because they didn't know the ice would melt - or did they? :)

The girls are named after the haplogroup classification so it's arbitrary but they chose nice names, Velda, Katrina, Helena (40% of Europeans trace to Helena, but 98% of all royal houses from Scand to Spain and UK to Hung - now there's fuel for the republicans!).

This is the cutest graphic I've found: