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England can expect some friendly fire (49)

Paris - might also be known as the Friendly Islands, the name Captain Cook gave them when he arrived on the archipelago in the southern Pacific Ocean in 1773.

But England are expecting a rather more hostile reception in Paris on Friday as they confront the surprise package of the World Cup.

The stakes are high for both teams, with Australia awaiting the winners in Marseille a week on Saturday in the quarter-finals.

Reaching that stage would represent a historic first for , while England aim to avoid becoming the first not to advance to the knock-out stages.

So what can we expect from Friday鈥檚 decisive pool encounter at the Parc des Princes?

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IT鈥橲 HAKA TIME AGAIN

After Samoa's 鈥淪iva Tau鈥 last week, this week we will be treated to the 鈥淪ipi Tau鈥, which first emerged at the 1995 World Cup at the behest of the Tongan king.

The Tongans may be very religious people, with the players reading a verse from the Bible before every match, but the 鈥業kale Tahi (the Sea Eagles, as the team are known) treat the rugby pitch as a battlefield.

Their Haka warns that the Sea Eagles are hungry, that foreigners better beware, that an omnipresent 鈥榙estroyer of souls鈥 will have no pity on the opposition half-backs, will devastate the front five, and crush the brave hearts of the back row.

It ends with the lines: 鈥淚 drink the ocean, I eat fire, my will is victory or death. Tonga will die for this goal.鈥

鈥淥ur ancestors were a lot more vicious,鈥 chuckles Tonga鈥檚 media liaison officer Joh Fifita. 鈥淭hey never warned their enemy they were about to attack with a dance. The first they knew about it was when their throats were cut!鈥

IT鈥橲 ALSO MAKA TIME!

, Tonga鈥檚 number eight, is probably the most distinctive player at this World Cup.

At 6ft 3in and a tad under 18 stone, you couldn鈥檛 miss him anyway, but his enormous Afro hairstyle ensures he has no chance of lying unseen on the wrong side of a ruck.

Maka will win only his fourth cap against England, but a few of the current red rose squad may remember him from their 鈥淭our of Hell鈥 in 1998.

As a 20-year-old he played for the New Zealand Academy alongside his elder brother Isitolo, against an under-strength and badly beaten English side.

At that time he still had ambitions of playing for the , but, while his brother won a handful of caps and another player of Tongan ancestry from the same Auckland suburb, , became a legend, Maka never made the grade.

Instead, he and his brother moved to France six years ago, where they have since helped Toulouse to two .

Finau was hoping that after serving a three-year residency period, Bernard Laporte might come calling.

But, unwanted by his adopted country, he was persuaded by new Tonga coach Quddus Fielea to belatedly play for his native one in this tournament.

鈥淚t is probably the first and last time this team will play together,鈥 Maka says, 鈥渟o it is a very special time for us. We have nothing to lose. The pressure is all on England.鈥

BUT ONE PLAYER DOESN鈥橳 MAKE A TEAM鈥

Correct. While Maka has undoubtedly been a talisman for Tonga with his dynamism off the base of the scrum, he has some quality company in the back row.

Captain and open-side flanker Nili Latu has been described as the Tongan , although, unlike the blond England World Cup winner, he has no hair at all.

But his support play and breakdown work have been superb, while the blind-side Hale T Pole is the worker who puts in the punishing hits, albeit two of the over-the-top variety earned him a and a one-match ban.

Perpignan鈥揵ased Viliami Vaki, who has moved from flanker to lock against England, has also impressed with his running and handling skills.

鈥淲e have looked at their back row really closely,鈥 said England captain Martin Corry, who believes 鈥渢here probably hasn鈥檛 been any better in the tournament鈥.

He adds: 鈥淭he whole pack is very solid, they pick-and-go around the fringes and go through the guts. They have caused every other team in the group a lot of problems.鈥

BUT DIDN鈥橳 ENGLAND BEAT TONGA 101-10 ONCE?

Yep, at the 1999 World Cup, when Tonga were a , as that match famously illustrated.

One of the more violent two-minute spells in World Cup history saw them have two players sin-binned and flanker Ngalu Taufo鈥檕u sent off for a violent attack on England flanker .

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Current (non-starting) England captain Phil Vickery took exception and got a yellow card for aiming a punch in the same incident.

It is the only previous meeting between the two countries officially, although 5live commentator and former England full-back Alastair Hignell recalled, on our World Cup blog this week, one from 1979 that the history books don鈥檛 recognise.

SO WHAT鈥橲 CHANGED AND WHY THE CONCERN NOW?

Tonga came close to beating Wales at the last World Cup when they couldn鈥檛 even field some of their best players because of contractual issues with their European club employers.

But they still only had two wins 鈥 against the Ivory Coast in 1995, and Italy in 1999 鈥 from 13 matches spread over four World Cups coming into this one.

After beating the USA 25-15 in their opening match, they earned their first win (19-15) over Samoa in 10 attempts since 2000, resisting their Pacific neighbours when they were down to 14 men for the last eight minutes, and 13 for the last five.

They have followed it up by giving the the fright of their life in Lens last Saturday, when, but for the bounce of a ball, a 30-25 defeat might have become a victory.

Little wonder Brian Ashton says he has 鈥渕assive respect鈥 for the Tongans.

鈥淭hey have a huge amount of enthusiasm, they are cohesive up front, and have the ability to stay in the game for 80 minutes, which has not always been the case,鈥 noted England鈥檚 head coach this week. 鈥淎gainst these opponents, a momentary lapse of concentration will cause major problems.鈥

PS - THEY ALSO HAVE 鈥淕ERMANIC鈥 EFFICIENCY

Before his Samoan side were surprisingly beaten by their 鈥淧acific Island cousins鈥, coach tried to articulate the difference between Samoans and Tongans.

The great former All Blacks flanker said that whereas Samoans were 鈥渆xuberant, even a bit crazy 鈥 like the Irish of the Pacific鈥, he thought Tongans were more conservative and methodical 鈥 "rather like the Germans鈥.

And we all know what happens when England meet them in major tournaments.

Tonga literally means 鈥渟outh鈥 in Tongan. Will England鈥檚 World Cup hopes be heading the same way after Friday鈥檚 tete-a-tete?

Bryn Palmer is the 大象传媒 Sport website鈥檚 rugby union editor.


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I can see england losing this battle, i can see the big names wilting like flowers from the pressure and possible embaressment of being the first holders knocked out in the group stages.

Tonga have absolutly nothing to lose, they'll play out of their skins and if they can get their set piece running smoothly then their fluid high tempo game may just pip it! Go Tonga I say!!

  • 2.
  • At 09:50 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • tim c wrote:

Too well reasoned to get 770+ comments,nothing hysterical in there.Not enough emotive rubbish about the haka or sh /nh .Still await the expected adverse comments will appear. Hopefully a good game and with luck and a following wind eagles feathers are plucked.ENJOY.

  • 3.
  • At 09:52 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Hugo wrote:

Typical british autumn weather this morning in Paris, and no changes expected tonight : cold drizzle, low temperatures... those conditions will hugely favor England ; The Tongians player will drop the soap er.. the ball every time they'll catch it, and Jonny will have a field day with his kicking game ... I expect a walkover.... Too bad for the minnows

  • 4.
  • At 10:06 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Jon wrote:

Before the WC I was a supporter of the idea of a 2-tier tournament, with a plate/shield for the smaller nations, saving them 100 point beatings which would do nothing for the game of rugby.

I've changed my mind as a result of some of performances so far, particularily Tonga & Georgia. They have enlivended this WC, brought some of the so called Big Nations down to earth with a bump and particularily in the case of Argentina, proved that you cant decide the quarter and semi final lineups before the tournament even starts. This is partly what makes football so exciting, I'm so pleased Tonga, Argentina & others are bringing that dimension to rugby.

  • 5.
  • At 10:07 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Bruce wrote:

Here in Enzed, Isitolo Maka and Jonah Lomu are remembered as the two players left out of the initial 1999 World Cup training squad (they were regarded as not fit enough for some military boot camp type training).

In the end Jonah Lomu made the team and starred in the loss to France - whereas Isitolo Maka was regarded by some as the ideal impact sub off the bench the AB's needed at the 99 Cup.
The selection of Sione Lauaki this time is somewhat of a remembrance of a missing player in 99.

  • 6.
  • At 10:27 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Tartan Tongan wrote:

Teams like Tonga are the reason why we need 20 teams in the World Cup, they might just come good during the competition or even because of it. We all knew they were big hitters who could throw the ball around a bit but they've finally got organised and should give England a cracking game.

As a Scot I'm looking forward to a good tight contest, and may the best team win. I think England will have enough to do it by a few points in the end but the Tongans don't give up so the Red Roses better not stop till the final whistle or there could be an upset.

With all the home nations playing for their places, the competition really comes alive now but one of us Northern Hemi teams needs to show those smug NZ/OZ/SA's we can play. I'm fed up with them crowing about their sporting achievments.

I usualy side with the underdog because upsets are more fun (GO TONGA!) but before you English get all upset, I'll be supporting you against the Aussies, tell them what to do with thier limp lager!

  • 7.
  • At 10:29 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Tom Go Wallabies!!! wrote:

What a shame if England win and have their special playmaker and only playmaker Johnny Rotten injured!! Go Tonga i say. Aussies love them and have huge respect for them. I don;t think the English respect them enough to win even though Ashton says so. Tonga has nothing to lose and will fight to the death. They r the suprise island nation in the WC. Go Tonga and we'll meet u in the QFs my brothers!

  • 8.
  • At 10:47 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Charlie wrote:

Possibly shamefully that Tongan red card (in 1999) is one of my most vivid WC memories: the way he trundled up, long after the fight was over, and thumped the first ENglishman he could find just made me chuckle.

  • 9.
  • At 10:50 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Mike wrote:

Friday night, work finished for the week, the weekend ahead, surrounded by great friends, beers, and a curry at half time. In front of us a 42" plasma and a HUGE England game to watch.
Life doesn't get any better than that!

  • 10.
  • At 10:55 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • strongo wrote:

i'm scottish, but will be supporting England- on one condition!!!! they don't play that soul-destroying rugby which they play when JW is fit. (kick out of your own half- driving maul in theirs till an inevitable pen is given- 3 pts- BORING).
Against a team like Tonga who will throw it about in open play England have a chance to really play an exciting, fun and enthrawling game. PLEASE don't play sir clive's game plan- it works, but its just not good rugby!!

  • 11.
  • At 11:03 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • kjy wrote:

Go Tonga!

For the record, Isotola and Finau are New Zealanders that immigrated to NZ when they were you, with their familes, and grew up in Auckland, NZ.

This is following a long line of immigration of Pacific Island people into NZ that has been happening for decades (Jonah Lomu born in Auckland, New Zealand) and is still happening to this day.

  • 12.
  • At 11:20 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Ed wrote:

Good to see there's some good support for England then!!

"Respect Tonga" Too many Aretha Franklins wannabes on this blog for me

No-one is dissing Tonga, in fact it appears they have won the hearts of the rugby world, but 大象传媒 is british...where's the comraderie?! Where's the passion?! Let's get behind these boys shall we!!!

We will not be going in tonights game scared of the big green giants!! We are English, the reigning world champions...and we will be advancing into the quarter finals!!!

Ed out

  • 13.
  • At 11:37 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • MikeG wrote:

Tartan tonga -> you may be sick of the SH teams banging on about prowess/achievements etc, but let's face some facts. These nationds have performed well thus far and, with the periodic exception of the French, all of the NH have been extremely disappointing. Uninspiring performances from the Scots and Welsh despite having 'home' tests. The Irish have been diabolical and the English...well the fact that an article like this is being written about a game between the WC holders and a tiny nation like Tongan is evidence enough. Say what you like about the SH teams but time and time again, tournament after tournament they are all consistantly challenging for the title. Look in the mirror for your failures, not out the window for a scapegoat. Good luck to the Tongans tonight. Fortune favours the brave and bravely isn't something we've seen too much of from the NH teams - whether it be from the selection room or on the field itself.

  • 14.
  • At 11:37 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • honest tim wrote:

now the wheels are back on the chariot england will cream tonga

next saturday in marseilles is game on - oz haven't played a proper team yet so......................

  • 15.
  • At 11:48 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Nick Squire wrote:

Too much time on my hands...

All our bags are packed; we鈥檙e not ready to go,

We鈥檙e standing here waiting for the score

We hate to let you down and say goodbye.

But the team is creakin', they鈥檙e playin bad',

The plane is waitin', we鈥檙e getting sad.

Already I'm so lonesome I should drink.

So smash them and score for me,

Send the Tongans home for me,

Smash them like you did 4 years ago.

'Cause we鈥檙e gonna be dealin out the pain,

Puttin鈥 England right back in the frame.

Oh mate, I hope its so.

There's so many times we鈥檝e been let down,

The Aussies waitin鈥 to steal our crown,

If we make the quarters, perhaps there will be a sting.

Ev'ry place you go we鈥檒l cheer for you

If we can鈥檛 win it, hope the Springboks do.

At least we were beaten by the new crowned king!

So smash them ...

Now there鈥檚 just one team left to really do,

Don鈥檛 care if it鈥檚 Bok Frog or Ozzie too,

The All Blacks really must be made to pay.

Let鈥檚 hope the chokers come undone,

Then all of us can have some fun,

Its time the Kiwi鈥檚 let somebody play.

So smash them ...

  • 16.
  • At 11:53 AM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Oliver Stephens-Ofner wrote:

This is for the ears of Tom the wallaby. Why don't you support the country that you have the distinct pleasure of living in ??!! I was in a pub in highgate last Saturday and your fellow countrymen were supporting the samoans. Why ??! The excuse was that they are closer to Australia. I was even commending your beloved campo to them for jokingly saying that England will win this world cup ! Surely you must be relishing a repeat of your '95 quater final against us where Campese missed a drop goal,
the ozzie team couldn't stop Tony Underwood scoring our glorious first try and ummm.. errrr.. let me think a fantastic drop goal from Rob Andrew in the final minute, remarkably similar to when we deservedly won your (rightfully and historically ours) "Bill" in extra time in Sydney ! You ain't world champions are you he he !

oli

  • 17.
  • At 12:01 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Simon wrote:

Would love to see a side like Tonga make the Quarter-Finals - they've been excellent so far in this world cup.

Although I'd really like to see the NH sides start doing something and taking the game to the SH. Provided Wales and England play strong games and Argentina don't lose we should have 4 NH v SH quarter-finals. Marvellous stuff, a chance to win back some pride.

  • 18.
  • At 12:01 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • JJ wrote:

English reputations no longer have anywhere to hide!

  • 19.
  • At 12:15 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • alfie noakes the 2nd. wrote:

Tartan Tongan, i'm the same as you: i will be supporting your boys against the Pasta boys. Always support the underdog.

the tongans are the perfect build up to a successful defence of our cup. From what i have seen to date, they offer more problems than the aussies.

Anyway, forget this game for the cup shock, watch Georgia go....

  • 20.
  • At 12:23 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Rory wrote:

It's my birthday today and the best present I could get would be a rip-snorter of a game where the World Champions are forced to hit some flowing form and squeeze out a brave and brilliant Tonga side. This will then get Jonny and the boys back on form for a re-match of the 2003 final with the always consistent Aussies in the QFs.

Oh please Sacred God of Rugby - let my birthday wish come true!! :)

  • 21.
  • At 12:29 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Rob Parker wrote:

With regards to comment 7 (Tom Go Wallabies).....

We know you guys and New Zealanders 'love Tonga', and all the other Pacific Island teams for that matter.

Infact you love them so much you nick all their best players by offering more money than their cash-strapped unions can afford, stopping these countries from getting up to tier 1 level.

'Huge respect'? Yeh right.

Best of luck tonight World Champions!!!

  • 22.
  • At 01:18 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • keith hurdman wrote:


...a scotsman supporting england?
We should have him stuffed and and put in a display cabinet!

  • 23.
  • At 01:23 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Dean wrote:

Thank you Oli (No. 16) for encapsulating all of the reasons why most Aussies in London will be cheering for Tonga tonight (and the ones that aren't are only doing so because they want to see the Wallabies stuff England in the QFs). I've had it up to my back teeth with 4 years of the phrase "World Champions England". Yes, England were the best team in 2003 (playing a brand of rugby that makes most fans lose the will to live), but using that phrase ever since somehow implies that England are still an elite rugby nation - every man and his dog knows that they are nothing of the sort.

It would also be bliss to have ITV's pre- and post-match broadcast time filled with something other than news from the England camp.

  • 24.
  • At 01:37 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • derek belm wrote:

Tonga has earned respect for the level of performance they've achieved so far. The big challenge is whether they can sustain it for another match and then on into the QFs (should they cause an upset, obviously).
England's pedigree (in terms of familiarity with top class tournament rugby) could be the deciding factor in this match.
I think it is too close to call as there's so many provisos - if England start confidently, like they did against Samoa, then they'll probably close the match out; if Tonga show the same verve and enthusaism they've displayed against Samoa and SA then they'll be hard to beat.
I'm really looking forward to the match.

For Ed at #12: Just a note to say that the 大象传媒 is, by and large, English. They have Welsh, Scottish and Irish tendancies when it suits and if England are not playing or doing very badly. But by and large they operate through red rose tinted glasses (just like ITV in the bulk of its coverage).

Chippy? Me? Never.

  • 25.
  • At 01:38 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Andy wrote:

Good on you Rob Parker - yet another ignorant chap spouting out the rubbish other people have told you so it must be true. You're obviously on the 'net to post here, so try spending your time wisely and research a few facts before letting your mouth embarass yourself through another uneducated rant. There's plenty been said on origins of NZ's population, so I won't waste my time going into it as you'll probably not bother to learn anything. You don't see us saying Lewis Hamilton is British because he has Carribbean heritage. Get over yourself.

We respect the Tongans and Samoans because they play with a love for the game, flair, excitement, and just generally have a go. Much un-like the NH teams have been doing. I think you'll find most kiwis respect the Portuguese much more than Scottish rugby after events of the last few weeks. As long as you front up and have a go we'll respect and support you. Hence most kiwis will back France over England. They're just better to watch.

As for tonight's game, I'll be barracking for the Tongans but just can't see it happening for them. They've shown their hand and England know exactly what to expect. Whether they can deal with it is another matter, but I think England will just be too structured and be too good at the set piece to let Tonga into the match. Eng by 30-12 is my pick, as much I want the big upset.
Personally I'm more looking forward to the French being so preoccupied with the Arg v Ire result that they forget they actually need to beat Georgia. That could be the big upset game this weekend.

  • 26.
  • At 01:41 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Dean wrote:

Thank you Oli (No. 16) for encapsulating all of the reasons why most Aussies in London will be cheering for Tonga tonight (and the ones that aren't are only doing so because they want to see the Wallabies stuff England in the QFs). I've had it up to my back teeth with 4 years of the phrase "World Champions England". Yes, England were the best team in 2003 (playing a brand of rugby that makes most fans lose the will to live), but using that phrase ever since somehow implies that England are still an elite rugby nation - every man and his dog knows that they are nothing of the sort.

It would also be bliss to have ITV's pre- and post-match broadcast time filled with something other than news from the England camp.

  • 27.
  • At 01:46 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Bobby M wrote:

Samoa should have beaten England but faltered in the closing stages, Tonga will not make that mistake.

  • 28.
  • At 01:54 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Bruce wrote:

Can anyone actually cite the players poached with money from the South Pacific Islands. Or do you believe that idiot Jones in your media - like you believed Blair over WMD in Iraq.

Are people up north living in some mono-cultural society which does not have migrants who later have children play sport for the country they were born in or whose family has chosen to live in while they were young?

  • 29.
  • At 02:05 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • DAVE wrote:

If you can remember (and I'm sure England's likely game plan will remind you) try flicking between ITV England v Tonga and Sky Sports St. Helens v Leeds and make comparisions between
crowd participation,intensity of game, continuity of play that involves all players,and the time the ball remains in play.Oh and tries, goals, relative to the scoreline. If as I expect The 'Mexican wave,' will figure at some ponit in the RU game ask your self why? Is it to do with the spectators contributing to an all consuming sporting spectacle or is it simply because they have become bored?If you think it is the latter then for goodness sake don't sit there and suffer, simply switch to Sky Sports and watch the other game.If you have not got Sky Sports --tough.
I suppose you can always start singing that little ditty-'Sweet Chariot,' to entertain yourself and help you feel confident your choice of viewing has been correct.Good luck!

  • 30.
  • At 02:17 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Sam wrote:

Should be a good game tonight but the boys in White will prevail in the end.
Whilst the SA\Oz\NZ boys are sitting pretty at the moment, I can see the quarter finals being a bit tricky if England win here and Argentina end up topping their group.

Oz will find if difficult against England and could easily lose. And NZ coming in cold against France could see them produce their trademark choke. Could quite possibly then be semi finals of England v France and South Afica v Argentina and at that point, any one of the 4 could win on their day.
Stranger things have happened.....!

  • 31.
  • At 02:17 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Michael Taylor wrote:

AS long as England don't get involved in a scrap with the Tongans, like the South Africans did last week, then they SHOULD be ok. However if we kick the ball like we did last week then we shall be in serious trouble because not only do Tonga possess a decent back three, they also have a mobile back row who will leave none of their fellow players isolated at the breakdown. Although Tonga will be an improvement on Samoa at set-peice we should still have an advantage at these areas. I still would back England to win this game, regardless of the way Tonga played last week

  • 32.
  • At 02:18 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Fergatron wrote:

agree with post 23, ITV's brown nosing of England is sickening. If i had a pound everytime that Jonny was mentioned i would be flying first class to watch the Lions in 2 years time and that was just during the coverage of Georgia/Namibia. Have to add though its not the english team or fans fault. Great world cup with groups being decided on the last weekend. THe IRB shouldnt meddle with the world cup format, the so called minnows have been fantastic. Off to France tonight and cant wait to get drinking and mixing with rugby fans no matter where they are from!

  • 33.
  • At 02:30 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Sam wrote:

Should be a good game tonight but the boys in White will prevail in the end.
Whilst the SA\Oz\NZ boys are sitting pretty at the moment, I can see the quarter finals being a bit tricky if England win here and Argentina end up topping their group.

Oz will find if difficult against England and could easily lose. And NZ coming in cold against France could see them produce their trademark choke. Could quite possibly then be semi finals of England v France and South Afica v Argentina and at that point, any one of the 4 could win on their day.
Stranger things have happened.....!

  • 34.
  • At 03:08 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Mike S wrote:

What else do you expect from ITV, Dean? Rugby supporters follow Sky for 4 years and then have to switch to ITV for the World Cup.

  • 35.
  • At 03:17 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Paul Anderson wrote:

England will beat Tonga for one reason and one reason only - We are the Champions my friends!

Derek at #24 - The 大象传媒 bias towards the English? Are you kidding me? Do me a favour, Go see if you can find the English history page......hang on, don't bother - there isn't one!

  • 36.
  • At 03:37 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • alfie noakes the 2nd. wrote:

why are so many bloggers submitting their entries twice???

go easy on the post button...

  • 37.
  • At 03:48 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • past it fullback wrote:

This is for Dean, Post 23. It may not have occurred to you, but ITV is a British broadcaster, broadcasting in the UK. I am sure that Australian TV stations do not major on teams other than Australia, and rightly so. If you and your fellow Australians in London all hate us so much, why do you not go back to your own country, where you can watch your own TV stations in the comfort of your national insecurity complex regarding England? An insecurity complex which I fail to understand, as most Australian sports teams regularly beat British ones!

  • 38.
  • At 04:24 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • JJ wrote:

English bravado will not win this match. Rugby skills are called for! Do you remember where you left them last England?

  • 39.
  • At 04:41 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Ian wrote:

There's a lot of cocky Celts having a go at England when each of them have eminently loseable games that could see them going home.

Ireland have the most to be worried about as Argentian have a pretty full strength team out to look to win and avoid New Zealand in the quarters.

Scotland could very easily lose to Italy espcecially now they are not playing at home. Italy are ranked above Scotland in the rankings and blitzed them in the six nations earlier this year.

As for Wales their opponents Fiji have already won twice and Nantes will be a lot less friendly than Cardiff.

I can see two of the home nations go out. I think Ireland will be one and I believe England will have too much for Tonga. I think Wales will probably squeek past Fiji so I'm going for Scotland joining Ireland in being homeward bound this weekend.

  • 40.
  • At 04:46 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Ian wrote:

There's a lot of cocky Celts having a go at England when each of them have eminently loseable games that could see them going home.

Ireland have the most to be worried about as Argentian have a pretty full strength team out to look to win and avoid New Zealand in the quarters.

Scotland could very easily lose to Italy espcecially now they are not playing at home. Italy are ranked above Scotland in the rankings and blitzed them in the six nations earlier this year.

As for Wales their opponents Fiji have already won twice and Nantes will be a lot less friendly than Cardiff.

I can see two of the home nations go out. I think Ireland will be one and I believe England will have too much for Tonga. I think Wales will probably squeek past Fiji so I'm going for Scotland joining Ireland in being homeward bound this weekend.

  • 41.
  • At 04:48 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Dean wrote:

Past it fullback, ITV may a British broadcaster but this is a World Cup and I'd expect a more balanced coverage across the 20 participants - even the other British teams don't get half the attention that England do. I'm sure there must be some great personal stories from players in the lesser teams that will never be told.
The 30-minute build-up to SA-Tonga last weekend consisted of 25 minutes previewing Eng-Samoa and 5 minutes for the national anthems.

  • 42.
  • At 05:06 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Ian wrote:

There's a lot of cocky Celts having a go at England when each of them have eminently loseable games that could see them going home.

Ireland have the most to be worried about as Argentian have a pretty full strength team out to look to win and avoid New Zealand in the quarters.

Scotland could very easily lose to Italy espcecially now they are not playing at home. Italy are ranked above Scotland in the rankings and blitzed them in the six nations earlier this year.

As for Wales their opponents Fiji have already won twice and Nantes will be a lot less friendly than Cardiff.

I can see two of the home nations go out. I think Ireland will be one and I believe England will have too much for Tonga. I think Wales will probably squeek past Fiji so I'm going for Scotland joining Ireland in being homeward bound this weekend.

  • 43.
  • At 05:26 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Jacqui wrote:

Post 37 - past it fullback
You fail to understand, as do the ITV commentators that there are FOUR 'British' teams involved in the World Cup... Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and the ever mentioned England. But to hear the commentary, you'd think only England matters, and that's what hacks the rest of the populace off, big time! ITV is a British braodcaster, but blatantly biased to the English team, almost to the exclusion of the others. I, for one, am sick of it! (PS It's largely because of the commentators and this bias that makes the rest of the home nation supporters pledge allegiance to England's opposition!!)

  • 44.
  • At 05:30 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Jacqui wrote:

Post 37 - past it fullback
You fail to understand, as do the ITV commentators that there are FOUR 'British' teams involved in the World Cup... Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and the ever mentioned England. But to hear the commentary, you'd think it was only England, and that's what hacks the rest of the populace off, big time! ITV is a British braodcaster, but blatantly biased to the English team, almost to the exclusion of the others. I, for one, am sick of it! (PS It's largely because of the commentators and this bias that makes the rest of the home nation supporters pledge allegiance to England's opposition!!)

  • 45.
  • At 06:42 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Mal wrote:

Win or lose, the Tongan team has done its country proud. Tonga is under no illusion about the task ahead but I am sure they will give it their all.

May the best team win.

  • 46.
  • At 07:13 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Neilpuki wrote:

Nice One bruce(28), well said, yes you do generally find that northern socials have a one tracked mind and very interbred and not accepting other migrants.

I am currently in Israel in "Mikes place" bar and with fellow English, Americans, South Africans you name it and we will all be watching Tonga V's England with support for both sides.

I wish Tonga all the best, But Cheering for England. They will do!!!

  • 47.
  • At 07:32 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • steve wrote:

Jacqui, post 44

Now that is total BS. The xenophobia towards Emgland by the Celts dates from long before rugby was ever invented.

Also the ITV coverage does spend a lot of time on the team supported by the vast majority of its viewers. So what? Its not as biased as some other national broadcasters. Nor as the 大象传媒 with its history of anti-English bias in its programmes.

I'm hoping for a good game tonight but ideally a English victory. See where it goes after that. The way we're been playing I doubt if we would get passed Australia but anything can happen in a single game. A lot of the Aussies on this board have been very complacent, let's hope their team get as lax. :)

Steve

  • 48.
  • At 07:40 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Big Lad wrote:

Think last week in Nantes was the ideal preparation for this game. It was a real test at 26-22, the pressure was huge and make no mistake we could have lost! We really ground out the win and I think it will give us major confidence for tonight!

Allez les Blancs!

  • 49.
  • At 10:09 PM on 28 Sep 2007,
  • Peter wrote:

Well done England there was some fantastic tries tonight.

I wish the 大象传媒 was covering the World Cup, because perhaps then the commentary would be less patronising about the opposition and a little less biased.

England played well, in weather conditions that favoured them. Then they are apparently world champions, so they should be able to rely on more than just Johnny Wilkinsons boot.

Mr Arrogance (Lawrence Dalgallio) came on and contributed nothing!!! What a surprise, perhaps he should start playing for the Twickenham Nursing Home IV.

However it was a fairly good game with some fantastic tries. Shame they didn't play like that against South Africa. Who I reckon will win the world cup 2007.

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