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What's the French for 'schadenfreude'? (53)

Montpellier, Monday morning - You want to know what true happiness is? A man named finding out that the assistant venue manager at the is called Paul Bastard.

The weight off Ben鈥檚 shoulders since he arrived in a country where his name fails to raise a single snigger has been obvious to all concerned, but this was a moment of pure redemption. Only if he had discovered that 鈥淔ordyce鈥 translates as something obscene involving goats and PVC aprons could he have been any happier.

For the residents of , these past few days will forever be known as The Weekend When Nothing Went Wrong.

After the long and varied disasters of the previous 12 days (broken laptops, broken cookers, entire afternoons lost circling roundabouts, stale biscuits for dinner) our joy at making it to two matches without serious mishap was almost unconfined.

Little matter that the weekend had begun with at the Stade de France. The drunken Frenchmen in the bar we were in may have taunted us throughout, but we had the last laugh when French TV cut to a shot of legendary full-back seated high in the stands.

To say that Serge 鈥 always the most committed of smokers as a player 鈥 has put on a bit of weight since he retired is like saying that Oliver Reed was partial to the odd pint. So exponential has been the expansion of Serge鈥檚 girth that it was some time before we realised that we weren鈥檛 watching a surprise guest appearance from the .

Spectators at Bordeuax Stade Municipale before Ireland v Georgia

Almost as shocking was the way that 15 determined Georgians managed to silence 10,000 hysterical Ireland fans .

At kick-off, the roars of 鈥淚reland, Ireland鈥 had been so loud that children several towns away were sobbing in the arms of their worried parents. By the end the volume was just the same 鈥 but this time with chants of 鈥淕eorgie! Georgie!鈥 echoing round the rafters.

During those momentous last 10 minutes, with camped on the Irish line and Eddie O鈥橲ullivan鈥檚 forwards panicking like a bunch of spinsters at a bull-fight, the pair of us thought we were about to bear witness to the biggest upset in rugby since .

Sadly, we couldn鈥檛 hang around to commiserate with our pals Ronan and Deidre, a top-notch pair of Irish fans we鈥檇 met in St Emilion earlier in the day when Degustation Dirs had been working his way though samples of .

With tickets secured for 鈥 or Toga, as they were referred to in one newspaper we saw 鈥 we had to jump back in The Bloggernaut for the 430km haul down to sunny Montpellier.

Time passes quickly on such trips. Conversations are varied, silences rare. Ben takes the opportunity to explain why he prefers kilometres to miles (鈥渢hey go by quicker on long journeys鈥). I attempt to sing harmonies to the tunes playing on the van iPod, and sound like a goose being foie grassed. We both swear at a French driver who is hammering down the autoroute at 90mph while dangling one bare foot of the window (I鈥檓 not joking).

Montpellier is scorching. Like true Englishmen, we instantly expose more bare flesh than is appropriate and .

Ben Dirs samples a local knickerbocker glory

Sure, the game itself is poor 鈥 more fumbling sevens than the smashfest we鈥檇 expected 鈥 but once again the stands are packed with locals, screaming for both sides as if they were Les Bleus themselves.

Say what you like about the French 鈥 honk-heavy on the roads, unable to keep campsites open after 9pm, so bad at football they lose to Scotland 鈥 but they鈥檝e taken to this World Cup like .

Tom Fordyce is a 大象传媒 Sport journalist travelling around France in a camper van with Ben Dirs.


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  • 1.
  • At 12:48 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Philip Hinchliffe wrote:

The same as the english, silly

  • 2.
  • At 12:52 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Peter wrote:

If the French are so bad at football that they lose to Scotland. then the English must still be learning how to play rugby. As we saw on Saturday they have obviously forgotten how to play the game they invented, or they agree with the Dallaglio school of thought, which is because they were world champions (?), how dare other teams turn up.

  • 3.
  • At 01:17 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Andy wrote:

Hey Peter, at least we know which day of the week it was (FRIDAY)

  • 4.
  • At 01:42 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Jim wrote:

This seems to be a frivolous waste of licence-payers money. I bet these guys cant believe their luck to get paid to tool around in France week after week. The content just isnt funny either. Stick to the cricket commentaries guys, now they WERE funny.

  • 5.
  • At 01:54 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • emma wrote:

"so bad at football they lost to scotland"

So england beat russia at home and are suddenly great. Whereas scotland beat france and are lucky to play such a rubbish team

You are a fool.

They made it to the final of the world cup. where did england get to?

How come whenever england achieve something its seen as a great performance but when any other home nation achieves, it is luck or down to the other side being poor

arrogant sods- come on samoa!!!!

  • 6.
  • At 02:08 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Peter wrote:

Fair point Andy my mistake. Its been a long weekend.

  • 7.
  • At 02:20 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Rushers wrote:

Messers Fordyce and Dirs

Loving the blogs - keep them coming.

Your trials and tribulations have only increased my excitement at heading to France this week in a mini bus with seven buddies for the England v Samoa game in Nantes on Saturday. Just a reminder, as mentioned a couple weeks back on these pages, try to get yourselves to La Baule beach on Friday from 3pm (approx 40 miles west of Nantes) for a spot of Beach Cricket & Tag Rugby. (head for the casino and look out for baguette stumps).

Hope to see you there.

Rushers

  • 8.
  • At 02:24 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • anysparechange wrote:

wait a minute. why the snidey scotland football comment? this sort of thing is very annoying. you may say we have no sense of humour and need to lighten up but the persistant nature of these condescending quips is becoming, sorry, already is, extremely tiresome.

stop it.

  • 9.
  • At 02:25 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Paul wrote:

French for Schadenfreude is something like sadistic joy
"joie sadique" but it's not easy to translate ; good question though and not "silly". I'd like to add that I think Bernard Laporte is an absolute prat.

  • 10.
  • At 02:35 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Kieran wrote:

Now then Emma calm down love it's only a blog

Scotland or not you've got to admit that France have dug themselves into a hole with the Argies first in the rwc opening game on home soil, and the Scots second. I think that was young Tom's point really. I don't actually understand why a Scot or an Irishman won't support England... ever. You use the term "Home Nation" but then would rather Samoa win? What's that about.

I don't really see how beating Namibia shows that the Frenchies are back on track.

And not sure us Eeenglish are that arrogant right now... so be gentle!

  • 11.
  • At 02:43 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Oliver Smith wrote:

I'd like to ask Emma out. We can wine and dine, run through fields of roses, party hard all night at strange techno clubs, fall madly in love and then get engaged.

I'd then stand her up at the church with the words 'thats for that truly bitchy post on the Dirs/Fordyce blog'

  • 12.
  • At 03:26 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Robert wrote:

What's the Scots for "aufheitern"?

  • 13.
  • At 03:31 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • emma wrote:

I'd like samoa to win for the same reason that (some) english fans were quite please that scotland won....everyone loves a passionate underdog coming up trumps and an overpaid over-confident team being shown to be mere mortals.

I am not anti english. I just dont see any reason why i should want them to win.

And oliver... you have got no chance, you sound like a right soppy idiot. (no offence :-))

  • 14.
  • At 03:41 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • john thompson wrote:

What's all the fuss about? We the Boks 10 points head start and are surprised when we lose? We are not the team of 2003 and are not good enough to win the World Cup. So let's get realistic - we should reach the quarter finals and then we will probably lose to the Aussies and that is about where we are now. Question: should we ask Sir Clive back?

  • 15.
  • At 03:54 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Lucy & Colette wrote:

Danny Coyle washing up !!!!
That'll be a first - show us the evidence !!!!

  • 16.
  • At 03:55 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • phil wrote:

Oliver

You sir, are a Cad, and a Bounder. Anyway, Emma is really Earnest, a 19stone haggis-wrestler from Dumfries.
She is only "Emma at weekends, when the patent leather codpiece makes way for the XXXXL Laura Ashley Floral Print frock

  • 17.
  • At 03:59 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

Kieran,

I also long for a spirit of fraternity amongst the Home Nations. The only person I don't support is Jamie Murray, I can't stand the little oik. Any other Scottish Welsh and Irish person/team will get my support.

That said France were in good form against Namibia. Namibia proved that they can play against big teams. Ireland have been poor, but France had to keep their cool and not get frustrated. They didn't let stiff arm tackles get the better of them. Namibia may have had a man sent off but they stuck to their task well for a time. They refused to be beaten and even got a consolation score at the end. France amassed their points total by playing rugby. The type of rugby that take any team apart. One of the things that stood out is that Laporte got it wrong in the first match. Michalak and Elissalde were able to bring the rest of the French back division, opening up the Namibians on several occasions. Michalak may be Les Blues current mercurial number ten but Chabal was showed great strenth of character by not only getting up from a synical clothesline but then going on to ramage about the park. His try was a fine solo effort. To be honest I'd like to see more of it. No team that has lost a group match has ever gone on to win the William Webb Ellis Trophy. France could be the first.

  • 18.
  • At 04:25 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • David wrote:

When ITV RWC coverage started they just harped on about England and payed very little attention to the other 19 teams in the tourney.

If Scotland don't make the quarters then us Scots will go "ah, well we were .....not that good".

If England don't make the quarters then the whole of England will be tearing their clothes, pouring ash on their heads and wailing about how they waz done.

As a Scotsman, thats an attractive prospect. Come on Samoa and Tonga!!

  • 19.
  • At 04:37 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Barbara Boden wrote:

dear tom, exactly how/what would spinsters behave at a bull-fight? being male-free they would probably have a wonderful time and would not in any way ressemble a panicky team of male rugby players with a testosterone overload, now that's enough tpo panis anybody!!!

  • 20.
  • At 05:02 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Ally the scally wrote:

"I don't think it matters what sport it is, everyone likes to see England going home early," said Styris.

Now that my Dirs, is a proper joke!

  • 21.
  • At 05:05 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Rushers wrote:

That's disappointing that you wont be able to join us Mr Dirs, but we shall forgive you considering all the joy you have brought us in recent times. Hope you have fun in Marseilles.

If anyone else fancies joining us for some sand based frolics in La Baule on Friday afternoon feel free to pitch up. Bring a beer or three.

(No ringers mind. Or Scot's)

  • 22.
  • At 05:16 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Ally the scally wrote:

a joke?

You have been in france too long if you find that funny!

  • 23.
  • At 06:09 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

AMERICA ROCKS. U do have some hot chicks though

  • 24.
  • At 07:37 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Jason wrote:

Ireland is not a Home Nation .... Educate yourselfs.

  • 25.
  • At 07:50 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

I see England has made the quarter-finals of the World Cup. That would be the Women's Football World Cup. Least we are doing well at something.

  • 26.
  • At 08:22 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • ianall wrote:

I don't particularly want to see England do badly, but as a Scot I and many of my compatriots find the English press and English commentators so insufferably arrogant that it is a pleasure when your teams lose and they are shut up, at least for a short time.

  • 27.
  • At 08:49 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Scottish for "aufheitern" is definitely "hoots, mon, the noo" but you probably won't be hearing it very often at the rugby world cup.

  • 28.
  • At 08:52 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • stuart wrote:

schadenfreude doesn't exist in French, which is not to say that the French don't participate in it ! I live in Montpellier, and (more so than in Paris), they pretty much wet themselves if England lose at something (I have been taunted by my work colleagues). It all dates from the 100 years war, and liverpool fans. Not that we have ANYTHING to be proud of at the minute compared to them ! Well done France though, and good luck. It's true that you don't have a sense of humour though. Can't be best at everything !

  • 29.
  • At 09:03 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Paul wrote:

Scottish for "aufheitern" is definitely "hoots, mon, the noo!" but cry your eyes wee mates coz Scotland won't make it to the quarters in rugby or football but England probably will.

  • 30.
  • At 10:58 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Chris wrote:

anysparechange wrote:
wait a minute. why the snidey scotland football comment? this sort of thing is very annoying. you may say we have no sense of humour and need to lighten up

You have no sense of humour and need to lighten up.

Next thing you know Scottish goal keepers will be the best in the world.

Whatever next?

  • 31.
  • At 11:55 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • Jason wrote:

As an Englishman in NZ it's sad to see that the Celtic nations are still suffering their massive inferiority complex about England.
I say, get a sense of humour, but most of all....don't worry about everyone else, concentrate on your own performance, and don't mull over the failures, just enjoy the successes. It's all up here, mate (I am pointing to my head)positive thinking, Bro, Sweet as.

  • 32.
  • At 11:56 PM on 17 Sep 2007,
  • New World Order wrote:

There is no actual French word for Schadenfreude, there's an expression though -

"Se r茅jouir du malheur d'autri"

.. which means epicaricacy ( to gloat at someone else's misfortune ).

Had to put up with that a LOT during my 12yrs over there from '87 - 1999 .. wasn't a good decade+ for us Welsh supporters at all ;oP .

  • 33.
  • At 02:44 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Bonux wrote:

Well I am French and I understand Emma's reaction. Scotland is at the top of the Euro qualifier and deserve to be.

The French and English have one common point, we get overconfident (arrogant sometimes) when we start winning because we also have our share of frustrating moments.

Beating Russia and Israel certainly made all the recent criticism disappears, all by magic ;-)

  • 34.
  • At 03:39 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Davo wrote:

ITV coverage of rwc is crap and as for that thickoid who introduces it - Martin whateverhisname - he needs 10000 volts to liven him up. Best bit when he thought there were lots of England supporters at the Argy/Georgia match because they had red crosses on their face paint - moron.

  • 35.
  • At 06:16 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • John L wrote:

As always, it seems that the Celts are more obsessed with England losing than they are with their own teams winning. Such an attitude would suggest that they have an enormous chip on their shoulder but will never admit to it.The foaming at the mouth and the hyperventilating they experience when England win at ANYTHING is an unusual sight, to say the least. Going through life with such a grudge must be another bitter pill to swallow.The Celts it seems, are forever living in England's shadow.

  • 36.
  • At 08:43 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • WCF wrote:

Yeah France was so bad against Scotland blablabla, and England such a good football that they manage to put a goal in Croatia for example but in their own camp. I hope you remember this one.....Ho dont put me under pressure you call me Mr Bean:)) Where is your great navy gone too??

  • 37.
  • At 08:56 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • WCF wrote:

Yeah France was so bad against Scotland blablabla, and England such a good football that they manage to put a goal in Croatia for example but in their own camp. I hope you remember this one.....Ho dont put me under pressure you call me Mr Bean:)) Where is your great navy gone too?? I ll to know the Iranian for 鈥淪chandenfreude鈥 if you please too

  • 38.
  • At 09:05 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Danny Coyle wrote:

Ben, Tom, thanks for the vin, baguettes, pommes and...what's the French for cereal bars? Proud to have been the Bloggernaut's first overnighter, though I appreciate I probably wasn't the type of guest you had in mind, Dirsy.

  • 39.
  • At 09:25 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • kipperchris wrote:

The celts and the scots (picts) should get a life although i do agree about itv harping on about England too much - we are crap and we know it so why do itv have to keep stating the obvious. Their coverage is diabolical and hiring Barnes just about sums it up. In their defense they will say that the population differance dictates their coverage but they really ought to realise that we are not all interested in crap rugby and could do with more on half decent nations (like the Georgians). Davo's comment about the painted faces is a classic - shame i missed it but it also sums up the rubbish we have to listen to. If, and when, England are knocked out - 28/09/2007 at this rate, i will support a NH team, even Wales, rather than see NZ win it. Anyway, calm down you scots and irish, lose the chip and just enjoy the rugby

  • 40.
  • At 09:53 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • emeraldstar24 wrote:

kieran what was the comment about an irish person not supporting england ever? what did that have to do with anything anyway. for your information, whenever england are playing another team like a sh team, i always support them! i liked watching england play good rugby in the last wc and to be honest the irish rugby fans are generally very supportive of the england rugby team, when ireland arent playing england of course. also the petty comments about the scottish football team have got to stop. it was a great result for them and they have done well in the qualifying rounds. wish i could say the same for the irish football team.

  • 41.
  • At 10:18 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • emeraldstar24 wrote:

to be honest i'm irish and i resent some of these comments directed at the celtic nations. i dont really care if itv harp on about the english, it's an english channel and obviously there'll be a certain amount of bias. i also resent being told that we are always going on badly about england which is unture. short memories here- who were the most respectful of the 6n fans towards the english and the english national anthem in croke park- that's right the irish fans. to be honest the irish rugby fans are more inclined to support england when they're playing anyone aside from ourselves obviously and i find these comments grouping us in with the scots and welsh as always being anti england unfair.

  • 42.
  • At 10:32 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Bad Christian wrote:

AMERICA CHICKS. U do have some hot rocks though

  • 43.
  • At 10:39 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

Tempers seem a little flared on this one.

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the official hymn/song of The Rugby World Cup; "The World In Union". It may be a delicious pun on this great sport's title but it has a lesson for us all. All the teams competing have shown great spirit, and in the most part fair play has been observed. Friendly banter provides much amusement for all, yet Some people seem to be taking this far too seriously. Some of us could learn a lot from the so-called minnow nations. They play for the love of the game. So I suggest that we all just sit back and enjoy the rugby rather than slating one another. This is rugby not football.

  • 44.
  • At 11:38 AM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Retired Rog wrote:

I'ts time for youth, Catt 36, Farrell 32, Robinson 33,Regan 35, Shaw 34,Corry 34 etc. etc.

Team should be: Abandonon,Strettle, Barkley,Allen,Varndell, Wilkinson,Perry,Sheridan,Mears, Stevens,Borthwick,Brown,Rees,Moody, Ward-Smith. Keep this young team together and let them grow.

  • 45.
  • At 12:41 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Alzo wrote:

With regards your silly and uneducated comments with repsect to Ireland, it was 800 years of english rule, which only finished in the 1920's, not the many generations you spoke of and still, due to the english plantations, leaves the country partioned to this day!

Regarding the rugby, you speak of current form. However, during recent years Ireland has been the most successful home nation defeating England on a number of occasions on the way to wining the triple crown three times out of the last four years!!

Once again it seems ignorance of the facts seem to have blinded your judgement!!!!!!

  • 46.
  • At 01:27 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Sally wrote:

re itv coverage...Martin Bayfield is the best thing on it. Professional knows his rugby respect from the other ex players in studio - sense of humour. Would you rather have the "count" seems that the only thing he wants to talk about is when iis Wilko coming back. (who cares)

  • 47.
  • At 01:44 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • anysparechange wrote:

32. Chris and Ben Dirs.

OK I have no sense of humour and need to lighten up. haha, how witty of you to make a scottish goal keeper joke. listen chum, the reason that scots become irritated by this sort of baiting is that it is relentless. scots know fine well that their sports teams don't do very well and have pretty much learnt to deal with it and as much as it pains us, we have accepted that england are generally better at most sports than us. yes, take a picture.

on the subject of media etc. I know plenty of scots who use the 'media excuse' to hide latent anti english sentiment and that is not on. however, you can imagine, how frustrating it is to turn on yuor TV to listen to 70% of the programme debate the finer points of Wilkinson's shoulder, Jason Robinson's best tries, Wilkinson's drop goal and 1966.

surely you can accept this? nah, thought not.

Ben Dirs,

OK Tom was making a joke. I just think that it wasn't funny and was formulaic. I would have hoped to read a genuinely amusing joke on here. the quality is usually better. I don't mind you having a joke at Scotland's expense if it's funny and and you don't mind Scots doing likewise, if it's funny.

  • 48.
  • At 01:57 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Touch not the cat ... wrote:

So, where's the "anecdote" I sent you?

Can't post it? What's the matter? It's funny as long as the joke's not on you?

Typical John Bull poor sports!

Try this "trrrue story" on for size:

A gendarme in Paris last Friday night pulled over a driver who'd been weaving in and out of the traffic. He approached the car window and said, "Sir, I need you to blow into this breathalyser."

The man reached into his pocket and produced a doctor's note. On it was written: "This man suffers from chronic asthma. Do not make him perform any action that may leave him short of breath."

The gendarme said, "OK then; I need you to come and give a blood sample."

The man produced another letter. This one read: "This man is a haemophiliac. Please do not cause him to bleed in any way."

So the officer said, "Right, I need a urine sample then."

The man produced a third letter from his pocket.

It read, "This man plays rugby for England. Please don't take the piss out of him."

  • 49.
  • At 03:15 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • eastdriver wrote:

Irish and Scots, chips on the shoulder, English Arrogance, it's all been said and done before. As a half Scots half English person i am qualified to comment on this!

Fellow Sweaties- concentrate on supporting Scotland, stop worrying what Englandshire are doing and saying and Fellow Morris Dancers- 1966 and 2003, well done you! (us) get on with the future and stop harking back!

God..when is the next British Lions Tour?!! sorry #25, British & Irish Lions!

  • 50.
  • At 04:53 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • emeraldstar24 wrote:

eastdriver where exactly are the so called "chips" on the shoulder from the scots and irish? there may be a few sour comments about the englsih being made and as an irish fan i dont necessarily agree with them and yes i agree there is always a minority of anti englsih brigaders. but there is also a minority of arrogant english making offensive statements too- the english are not exactly shrinking violets when it comes to winding people up. for god's ake people ive had some great rugby days out with englsih, irish, welsh and scottish. and yes eastdriver it is british and irish lions and i hope i wont be accused of having a chip on myt shoulder but you do seem to have one yourself.

  • 51.
  • At 05:15 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Paul M wrote:

Don't get this 'hilarity'. Seems more like public skool twittering to me. Why is the 大象传媒 wasting the tax-payers cash on these buffoons?

  • 52.
  • At 05:42 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Spoot wrote:

Reply to #32

Take a look at the results of the latest DNA sampling survey carried out in England before making any further ill-informed comments about Celtic nations and inferiority complexes.

  • 53.
  • At 06:06 PM on 18 Sep 2007,
  • Tony On Ice wrote:

I can only assume you mean Irish pals "Ronan and Deirdre" as opposed to "Ronan and Deidre". Her story is as tragic as Peter Stringers....

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