Highs and lows of the group stages (48)
- 2 Oct 07, 06:45 AM
Paris – So 40 matches down, eight to go.
The group stages are over and we are down to our eight quarter-finalists.
So I thought it was time for another batch of awards, reflecting on what we have seen so far. Again, let me know if you disagree or want to offer your own suggestions for additional honours.
Best game: .
No contest this one. Much as it was painful to watch, as a Welshman, Saturday in Nantes threw up one of the most enthralling games in the entire history of the World Cup. Nine tries in total, Fiji scoring 25 points in 10 crazy first-half minutes, Wales hitting back to lead 29-25, Fiji going back in front, Martyn Williams’ intercept try to give Wales the lead again…Fiji winning it at the death. Bewildering, breathtaking, heartbreaking stuff.
Worst game: .
A few contenders here. was the poorest quality fare I witnessed at first hand, although was also pretty bad. And Saturday night’s humdinger in St Etienne – – also did little to stir the rugby soul, although the weather played its part. But watching the favourites for the competition fumble their way past a second-string side, who knew they had no chance of winning on their home turf, must have been a profoundly depressing experience.
Best team performance: Fiji ().
would have been the biggest shock in World Cup history. And , before only losing by five points, was another highly uplifting watch from a spectators’ point of view. But aside from Argentina’s opening-night win over France, this tournament was still missing a proper shock until Fiji’s spirit of adventure did for Wales. Not the biggest shock ever but a shock nonetheless - and a shot in the arm for the World Cup.
Worst team performance: England ().
Italy’s ‘non-match’ against the All Blacks and Ireland’s desperate display against Georgia were already highlighted in my earlier awards after two pool rounds. And, unfortunately, I don’t think anyone has done enough to topple the world champions from their perch on this one. The Springboks did play pretty well, although hardly extended themselves in ‘nilling’ supposedly their biggest rivals in the group.
Best individual try: Shane Williams (Wales v Fiji).
The first of Bryan Habana’s quartet against Samoa took the honours after the first fortnight, and probably still leads the way. But for the sake of a change, the diminutive Welsh wing’s effort against Fiji took some beating, racing up the right wing before stepping his way past three would-be tacklers on a mesmerising run. It was his sixth try of the tournament and sparked Wales’ dramatic comeback but, ultimately, it was all to no avail.
Best team try: Kosuko Endo ().
Wales somehow contrived to lose a five-metre scrum in the right corner near the Japanese line - and boy did they make them pay. Japan pounced on the loose ball and, with breathtaking ambition, agility and pace, transferred the ball through several pairs of hands before scoring in the right corner. One of the great World Cup tries.
Foot in mouth award:
Ford was in commendably honest mode the morning after England’s humbling by South Africa, pointing out the world champions no longer had the world-class players available to them of four years ago. He also offered the suggestion that Andy Farrell may be too old to translate his rugby league pedigree into union. Not many red rose supporters would have disagreed with him. But a few days later the RFU’s media department issued a release from Ford for the next two years, this dredging up the initial damaging headlines again.
The ‘Who is Jonny Wilkinson anyway?’ award: Chris Paterson (Scotland).
Jonny boy gave a very thorough being used at this World Cup. So far he has landed 11 from 16 attempts at goal in his two games against Samoa and Tonga - not a bad ratio but not as high as we or he would expect. Maybe he should talk to the Scottish kickers. in the tournament to 15 shots out of 15 with six penalties in the rain of St Etienne. And Dan Parks has also succeeded with all five of his attempts. Perhaps they could pass on any tips to Stephen Jones too…Doh! Too late now.
The ‘maybe I shouldn’t have showed up award’: Brian Lima (Samoa).
The Chiropractor certainly made an impact in his record fifth World Cup – but not in the way he would have hoped. Lima made history when he took to the field after 60 minutes in but he left the field only five minutes later with suspected concussion - subsequently missing the . He returned to the starting line-up for the and managed to last 73 minutes, only to receive a three-week ban for a dangerous tackle on Jonny Wilkinson. The suspension but his team-mates made sure he received a fine send-off, carrying the 35-year-old on their shoulders around the Stade Geoffroy-Guichard pitch after their final group game .
Best anthem: Portugal.
Playing at their first World Cup, no-one expected Portugal to came out of their pool with anything but four defeats but the passion and pride the players displayed on the field has been a real highlight. Their attitude was summed up in their stirring renditions of the national anthem: ‘A Portuguesa’. The song was belted out with such gusto that half the team were left in tears, while some of the watching public soon adopted Os Lobos as their second-favourite team.
The ‘rule that most refs appear to have forgotten’ award: Forward pass.
Before the World Cup began, would be clamped down on in France - and so it was. In the first week of the tournament, for example, there were so many citings that the disciplinary committee must have been filling in overtime sheets. However, one law that seems to have had less attention during the group stages is the forward pass, with countless stray deliveries being ignored or unseen. Things came to head over the weekend during the Wales v Fiji match, where there were so many passes that the casual observer would have been forgiven for thinking a game of American Football had broken out.
Anyway folks, my tour of duty is over for the time being. I’m handing over the 'Our man in Paris' baton to my esteemed colleague Mark Orlovac for the final three weeks.
Many thanks for all your comments and suggestions so far. Keep them coming in.
Here’s to a great knockout stage.
A la prochaine fois.
Bryn Palmer is the ´óÏó´«Ã½ Sport website’s rugby union editor.
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Thanks for some very good articles and talking points, Bryn.
Sad to see two Scotland games competing for worst game of the tournament! Have to disagree with you about the Scotland v Italy game not stirring the rugby soul, though. This supporter's rugby soul was stirred, brought to a boil and then poured into a blender. Not great rugby, but great drama like any close game that really counts.
Let's hope we can put on a show against Argentina!
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Another option for individual try of the tournament has to be the USA's Zimbabwean wing, Ngwenya, in the game against SA when he ran around Bryan Habana..... and we thought he was the quickest in world rugby!!!!
Great individual wingers try.
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Most annoying:
Alchohol free beer.
Beautiful supporters:
Portugal / South Africa.
Most over valued:
England / wales / scotland / ireland
Most under valued:
Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, Japan, Georgia, Portugal, Namibia, etc..
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I think another contender for best team try has to be the Ngwenya of USA try against South Arica over the weekend. An interception and a fine hand-off (which doesn't often happen against burly SA) by Todd Clever then some fine passing, followed by Ngwenya outrunning none other than Bryan Habana was an incredible try. I think even the SA players on the field were applauding that one...
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The "Wonderbra" award (most deceiving body attributing to artificial padding) must go to Bryan Habana for his "muscular" frame - surely his padding was too much?
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Good work with ur blog mate. I agree with all those awards. However i would like to point out the USA's winger running around Bryan Habana in their pool match against the Boks. that was all class and speed. Canada vs Australia was pretty bad tho. The english ref decided to take control from the start. WE may as well have given him the ball and let him play by himself. Bring on the QFs and bring on England! What a shame they will lose.
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Japan's effort v Wales excellent but beaten by USA's v SA on Sunday night. Why?....Interception by defending forward who turned defence into attack with flesh-flattening hand-off and good pass to a 2nd row (I think) who lumbered forward then found his fly-half (Hercus - unsung hero of the tournament award). In 3 paces he caught and released the ball to his speedy winger in space with a pinpoint accurate 20-yard spin pass (which wasn't forward - SH teams note!). Who did the winger have to beat - only Habana, rightly lauded as the best in the world....... Fantastic! ...Try of the century!
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Some good observations there Bryn . Some other highlights I enjoyed were
-The double haka when Samoa met Tonga, I was impressed at the volume of the Tongans. So convincing was the war zone they created the watching French gendarme raised their arms in surrender!
- Portugal's determined try against the All Blacks and the crowd's response to it.Well done to the TV editor for finding a gorgeous Portuguese senorita dancing in delight.Is it me or do all the New Zealand female fans look like hockey players?
-Argentina's emergence as serious contenders for the tournament. Now they have some serious potential for prettiest fans of the competition.Id love to see them make it to the final ( I backed them at 66/1 each way !)
- And finally the over-zealous French steward who turned away two former world cup- winning captains in Francois Pienaar and Marin Johnson.Maybe he thought the skin coloured microphones they were wearing for ITV, were giant warts and highly contagious.
My lowlights. Well, at every world-cup its the same. Too many mis-matches.I mean , come on, you cant expect a tiny rugby nation like Wales to survive a group containing the giants of Japan, the attacking flair of Canada or the massively populated superpower that is ,er ,Fiji. Even if you give them two games at home.( Am I joking? Maybe, but Im not laughing. I,too, am a patriotic Welshman, named after the greatest but brought up spoiled in the magical seventies.It was just a flash in the sosban )
Seriously . to improve the competion the IRB should consider less teams, say, 16, in two groups of 8. With the top two of each group meeting in the semis.
You can be sure of this
-no team would field weakened sides.
-closer games with more tries, as less fear of losing
-two southern hemispheres teams topping each group
And finally my highlight so far. The moment Jason Robinson fell clutching his hamstring and what followed.
-An eerie collected sigh around the ground
-Great sportsmanship and respect shown by the South Afican players by not giving in to temptation when he was exposed
-And the standing ovation given by the whole stadium when he was carried limping and bleeding off the pitch.
Lets hope for more inspiring moments during the knock-out stages
Hwyl Gareth
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Couldn't agree more with your comments re. the ref's forward pass blind-spot. It has proved difficult to explain while watching games with friends whose only knowledge of Rugby is that you can't throw the ball forwards. Even taking into account the usual issue of the ball's movement relative to the passing/receiving players, many of the (non)decisions have been absurd. I can only imagine that the refs have been advised to favour attacking rugby when the ball is being moved along the back-line (funnily enough, most of the forward passes that I have seen penalised have been in or around the breakdown and usually thrown by forwards). Whilst everybody wants to see open, attacking, exciting rugby, to acheive this at the expense of legal play is disappointing.
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is this the same Bryn who previously wasn't Welsh?
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BIGGEST FARCE AWARD: Scotland and New Zealand's clash of shirt colours!!!
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Disagree that NZ-Scotland was the worst game - still some marvellous tries e.g., Solialo's back pass to McCaw for the first try and both of Howlett's tries. I think the disappointment with this game was that NZ failed to score more tries by basic errors. I've seen many worse games than this one.
Agree though that the shirt clash is worthy of an award in its own right.
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As well as the now forgotten forward pass rule I would also add a second refereeing stupidity.
It might just be me but until this world cup I have never seen a referee blow up for the final whistle while a lineout is ready to be taken.
Surely if the ball goes out of play before the 80 minutes is up, but then the 80 minutes rolls over before the ball is returned to play, previously the play was allowed to go ahead and becomes the last play of the game. This seems to have changed in this world cup and we now have the stupid situation where a team can kick for touch with a penalty at 79:30 and then lose the chance to throw in just because the defensive side mess around for a 30 seconds tieing shoelaces and slowly trotting back to the lineout.
This can't be right surely ?
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The forward pass comment is well made but refs seem to be even more comprehensively disregarding the straight put in law at scrums where scrum halves are pretty much putting the ball straight into their own 2nd row.
I have at least seen a few (albeit blatant) forward passes picked up, but I'm yet to see a single crooked feed penalised all competition.
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Ieuan, Wales V Italy? Déjà vu!
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Did Wales not have problems with the 80 mins rule during the 6 nations/ Kicking into touch during the 80 mins but not being allowed to take the lineout.
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Scotland might be grim to watch on occasion, but unlike many other teams such as Wales and Ireland, we've got the job done and got out of the pool stages.
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Agree - the "They Think It's All Over" award should go to the administrators who couldn't agree a synchronised clock arrangement which enabled all concerned to know that 80 minutes meant 80 minutes. This was especially crucial in Canada/ Japan. But I'm NOT in favour of a hooter, the ref should have the final say and be able to prolong play if, say, a team stalls when it is their turn to start play.
And the 'Tipperary' Award (It's a Long Way) goes to the otherwise excellent authorities in Nantes who arranged extra trams on Saturdays and Sundays, but not on the Friday that France/Ireland was shown on the big screens around the city, meaning we had to walk 7km back 'home'. At least the tramlines meant we knew the way!
What do people think of the bands in the ground? I think it's hypocritical to urge respect for kickers and anthems when you have a brass band playing while players are engaged in a serious game. They should restrict themselves to injury breaks, scores etc. And the Wave is pretty moronic, but you can't really stop it...
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Ryan Wilson wrote:
Scotland might be grim to watch on occasion, but unlike many other teams such as Wales and Ireland, we've got the job done and got out of the pool stages.'
I totally agree Ryan, you played poor, boring and at times laughable rugby, which probably wasn't worthy of the world cup, but still made it through to the last 8. Great!!!!
I doubt I would be this sarcastic or envious had wales stuck to a game plan like Scotland and made it through to the last 8 in the same fashion.
I'm still a very upset and bitter Welshman.... sorry.
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I can sing the chorus of the Portuguese anthem after learning it when I was a student in Evora...
It's very easy to belt out after a few beers - its lyrics are spectacularly jingoistic - "we will fight for the fatherland and march against the cannons" - but it really does make God Save Our Queen sound like a terribly feeble dirge.
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thank"s and au revoir. Just listened to inverdale post card, maybe the minnows debate ireland wales included !!, needs revisiting.NO REDUCTION but much more than mealy mouthed platitudes from the irb.MONEY AND EXPERTISE required for all of PACIFIC ISLANDS.
SOUTH AMERICANS in fact all of the so called "MINNOWS'
Well done to all on balance best WC so far.
Agree with worst match and kit clash S v AB.Closely followed by England v S A .
Best game Wales v Fiji .most naive tactics wales.
Argentina v France next best.
Most churlish comments BOD EOS in defeat and aussie
"i hate you butler" Oneill
MOST contentious blogs ,Andrew Cotter are you a relative?? re the haka and John Beattie is it too long?
is what too long.?
Now let battle commence.
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Speaking as a Wales supporter - Ryan Wilson is spot on. I'd swap places with him in a heartbeat.
I our hearts we truly believe that losing to Fiji 34-38 is better than beating them 3-0. That's why we'll never win a World Cup.
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Re 19, not all rugby is attractive, running, open - like rugby league, if you like. Scotland's style is not poor, it's grim, effective and makes most use of what the squad can actually do. The only people in Scotland playing Fijian style rugby are... Fijian soldiers.
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Most pointless game:
Scotland v New Zealand
Worst Game:
Scotland v Italy (but not short on the fingernails for us scots..?)
Best Game:
Wales v Fiji or Samoa v Tonga or Canada v Japan
Best RWC so far:
2007 by a county mile. Best attendance, best atmosphere....
KEEP THE MINNOWS!! They have produced the most entertaining rugby so far. I don't think the last 8 will be able to live up to them. I have thouroughly enjoyed the tourney so far despite Scotlands shakey and unconvincing performances.
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It's not often I disagree with my esteemed colleague Bryn when it comes to rugby matters, but I have to concur with Gregor (post 2), Safa_steve (4), Tom Go Wallabies!!! (6) and Rugby Union Jack (7) when it comes to the try of the tournament so far.
Superb though Endo's was, Takudzwa Ngwenya's score when the USA went coast to coast against South Africa was dazzling.
Ngwenya was born in Zimbabwe and learned his rugby in the country, which borders South Africa, so rounding Bryan Habana must have been an extra-special for the 22-year-old.
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I have managed to watch every game on TV, although must admit I tend to record and then fast forward to the action!
I have to agree with other contributors that the Ngwenya try for USA v SA was the try of the tournament so far.
The great thing for me has been the performances of the minnows. Except for England's performance against SA the minnows generally performed far above my expectations, even if they are well beaten.
As an England fan I generally support the other home nations but found myself urging Georgia to score against Ireland and for Fiji to hold out against Wales. Just because of the way they had played.
Looking forward to the quarter finals in some trepidation. England need to improve 100% if they are going to beat Australia.
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Did Paterson not miss a kick against New Zealand?
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The biggest irony awary: The French having to play their quarter final in Cardiff?
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I'm a Scotland fan but I can't avoid thinking that if Wales or maybe even Ireland were in our pool they would have got to QF, too. Ours was the easiest of the lot yet we made it suffering like hell. I think our match against NZ was the worst game so far, I hope we can vindicate that match against Argentina because we certainly didn't against Italy.
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The French having to play in Cardiff IS deserving of an award, although I'd call it:
The Coming Back to Haunt You Award, or
The Home Thoughts from Abroad Award, or
The Wherever I Lay My Beret Award...
Given the price they paid for support from the Scots, and especially the Welsh, the successful French bid to host RWC was a pyrrhic victory. Never again.
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What about the tongan try against the south africans that involded 2 kicks the final one a littl hack on just past the despairing south african that was end to end a fantastic to watch although the USA vs SA one was clqss brilliant with Bryan "faster than a cheetah slower than that guy" Habana
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Does anybody know where I can see the Shane Williams try against Fiji (which i missed as I was in the toilet but unfortunately as a Welshman I caught the rest of the game!) and the USA try against the Boks? Tried looking on you tube but no luck.
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Forgot ,Maybe i shouldn"t have turned up RONAN.
C"est la vie award to France for away to All Blacks.
Line judges who seem optically challenged. Why keep going to tv ref when tries are so obvious.
What colour is it to official kit makers Scotland vs ABs.
Ryan Jones heart on sleeve award .Shame you were not playing.
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Most underrated comic award:
No 22 (the Welshman who beleives that losing to Fiji 34-38 is better than beating them 3-0). Awwwww.
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Award for underacheivement
Ireland
Award for MOst hyped Squad
Wales
Award for bigheadness
Wales
Most bitter looser award
BOD
Most begin performanace
England
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For Jonny, comment No. 34, if you put "Takudzwa Ngwenya" into you tube it brings up the USA try against SA where he beats Habana (the first two videos you see). I recommend cut and paste...
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I have to agree with post 24 and others to "Keep the Minnows!" This world cup may be the best so far, but for me it has been most interesting because of the lower ranked teams that have come and given their all. They don't have the pretentious attitudes of the Big Eight who (usually) have more money and a solid player base. These minnows play their hearts out, enjoy the game and demonstrate the spirit of the game for other hopefuls around the world. Sometimes they even shock us by how close and accountable they can hold the big teams (Georgia, Tonga). Plus, it is a showcase for some players to get to the big stage in other countries.
To reduce the number of participants in the RWC finals would, in my opinion, be very short-sighted.
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No 27 - Mossy missed a drop goal against New Zealand... not a penalty or conversion. His 100% record stands..
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Id love it if there was a shield contest now, because it would be great to see more of the minnows playing in competitive matches, and if they played mid week it would help to fill the long gaps between matches now we are in the knock out phase.
The only problem is that I can see that a couple of teams, like, say, Wales and Ireland would probably not want to be involved..
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I am thrilled by the prospect of Argentina advancing and I will be rooting for them as I am sure the Aussies will beat us the Argentinians deserve team of the tournament.
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Agree with the comments about keeping the minnows and possibly some sort of shield competition. There have been some slaughters of the sort that made me sceptical of the idea before but even when on quite a hiding they have fought hard and given a good performance. What I find really strange is that 12 places for the next world cup are already secured for the top three in each group! That means even if the authorities keep it at 20 there are only 8 places up for qualification! Especially given how some of those nations have developed in the past few years and who else might be out there.
Anyway gripe aside I generally agree with what's been said. Especially the appalling colour clash in the Scotland-N Zealand match. Would have been easier to tell the teams apart if the AB's had kept their primarily strip.
Would say the Ngwenya try edges it for best so far. Also the Fiji-Wales for best match in terms of tension and excitement. Only thing that might have bettered it would have been if the bounce had been different in Tonga-SA.
Worst game might be England-SA or Scotland-N Zealand, although the mess at the end of the Canada-Japan match takes some matching.
Steve
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Scoltland are winning while playing averagly; We know we can play a lot better; We are relying on our kickers to win; Many folk are accusing us of being boring.
Hmm.....I seem to remember slagging off a neighboring team for doing this, who was it again???
AAARRRGGGHHH! We're turning into the English!
Ach, smashin! Keep it up Patterson and Parks, we'll need you against the Pumas and i'll be very happy being boring if we're winning and never mind losing gloriously, we've done enough of that.
Good luck to the English and the French an all, there's only the three of us Northern Hemi teams left.
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Agree with Rugby Union Jack about the USA providing the best try, but we must allow a gallant Welsh reporter one compensation! Good to see the word "interception" make a reappearance too: when, why and how did it suddenly become an "intercept"? I blame the Americans :)
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Many thanks again for all your comments.
To clear up what appears the biggest bone of contention, I'll be honest - I didn't actually see Takudzwa's Ngwenya's try for USA v South Africa. I was still pontificating on Ireland's exit after attending their match with Argentina on Sunday. But am quite prepared to believe it was better than the others I mentioned. In fact I'll take Robert Miller's advice and check it out on YouTube.
In response to Tony D (post 10), I'm not sure when I "previously wasn't Welsh" but I was born in the Principality and brought up there for the first 18 years of my life, if that counts for anything.
To JP, Scotland - like England against South Africa - did not even get a kick at goal against New Zealand. And that match won the "worst" award just because the circumstances contrived to make it totally at odds with what a genuine World Cup 'pool decider' should be.
And lastly, to my colleague Mr Brett(post 20), can't wait to hear your rendition of the Portugal anthem when I return to the office!
PS - Paris, I'm missing you already.
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An often over looked award - the thinking outside the box award!
Tonga for each lineout, they never contested but also retreated and never tackled England hence not allowing England to get their rolling maul going, excellent ploy really as they wanted England to shovel it out wide and then take them into contact. Smart thinking I thought
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An often over looked award - the thinking outside the box award!
Tonga for each lineout, they never contested but also retreated and never tackled England hence not allowing England to get their rolling maul going, excellent ploy really as they wanted England to shovel it out wide and then take them into contact. Smart thinking I thought
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"Tonga for each lineout, they never contested but also retreated and never tackled England hence not allowing England to get their rolling maul going, excellent ploy really as they wanted England to shovel it out wide and then take them into contact. Smart thinking I thought"
The Japanese used a similar approach against the Welsh earlier in the competition. It was vey amusing to see the Welsh form a 'maul' only to get penalised as there wasn't actually an opponent involved.
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I also have an award to propose:
"The best post-game gesture between teams"
Several nice gestures come to mind, like NZ players having a match of soccer after their game against Portugal, etc. but the IRFU visiting the Pumas on the lockers right after the game to congratulate is probably the best one.
I never heard of this before in a RWC from a team being eliminated.
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