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Royal Air Force
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28 May 2005

Until recently I knew few details about Great Britain's WWII Royal Air Force, its aircraft, or its famed leadership. But since reading "Reach for the Sky", "In For A Penny, In For A Pound", and "The Dam Busters", as well as, reading news articles from various England newspapers and web sites, I now possess a much better understanding of that era and the challenges faced by those brave souls in the RAF . . . especially those assigned to Bomber Command.

I was stunned to learn of the heavy losses incurredy by Bomber Command, and the scant chance each man faced in surviving his tour of thirty (30) missions. The statistics cite the loss of 55,000 Bomber Command airmen during WWII, and at various stages during the war, that meant theoretically no crew would survive long enough to complete his assigned missions. Yet the RAF bomber crews unhesitatingly climbed back into their aircraft each time to fly again and again into the night to face imminent danger.

The bomber crews flew missions that averaged 5 to 8 hours at a time, flew disciplined routes to avoid fighter or flak concentrations, and released bomb loads on targets outlined by flares dropped by accompanying Pathfinder airplanes. When targets were obscured by cloud cover, bomber aircraft often returned to bases still fully loaded. They landed at considerable risk. Sometimes this was done when the bomber was damaged, or when engines were running rough, or under unfavorable weather conditions at their home field.

But . . . that was standard fare for the bomber crews who accepted such conditions as part of their duty in WWII.

During missions, bomber aircraft were blasted out of the sky by flak. Sometimes bombs dropped from planes flying higher than others struck the lower flying airplanes. At other times, damage from enemy fighters, engine failure, or numerous other malfunctions, forced bomber aircraft down. Some crash or exploded sparing no one, and sometmes, miraculously, some were spared.

And these incidents don't count the anxiety crews faced because of rough weather, of seeing their friends blown out of the sky, or discovering after returning home that some went down unseen and were never to be heard from again.

How can you thank these crews enough?

What astonishes me most is the criticism levied at Bomber Command members because of bombing operations conducted against German cities that caused heavy civilian losses.

The criticism ignores the technology of the Day, and the intelligence of the Day.

I understand if one speaks generally of how unfortunate it was, or how regretful those losses, but that is wholly different from citing those in Bomber Command as being villainous. Those crews gave so much, paid such a heavy price, and stopped the Hun who was literally banging at your front gate. Such criticism is not only naive and unjustified, but terribly cruel and damaging to those who paid the fare.

It is understandable to recoil at the loss of live, or to wish it never happened, but it did. It did happen, and now, it's important to remember the circumstances; it was Germany that started the conflict, and it was Germany that did everything possible to destroy England.

If something could be done over, it would most certainly be that Germany not start the war that cost the lives of 55,000 brave RAF Bomber Command airmen and thousands of innocent English civilians who died under exploding German bombs and rockets.

So, unfortunately and regrettably, many civilians lost their lives during the war . . . on both sides!

What I hope to read from an English newspaper one day soon is how a grateful England finally says "thank-you" to its Bomber Command crews for their gallant service in WWII.

By writing this account, I challenge the "Silent Majority" there to stand up and make themselves heard. Start a campaigne, write your newspapers, call your Talk Shows, solicit support from family, friends, and neighbors . . . but make this happen. Get a memorial to Bomber Command, and a nation's "Thank-you" to these deserving men.

Just be quick because those remaining WWII RAF Bomber Command survivors are men in their 80's.

Signed,

A Yank who proudly salutes Bomber Command

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Message 1 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

Dear Yank -

May I offer my congratulations
to your efforts in order to gain some public recognition of those men who fought so well in Bomber Command, and suffered losses calculated at 55,000 men.

However I would advise you not to hold your breath as it could be a long time in coming. As the British - as you may have gathered - are not as demonstrative of their true feelings as many other nationalities.

The nearest you will find to a memorial is the statue of "Bomber" Harris in London which took many years to finally place as he was regarded as a "Butcher" - "Murderer"
as he had the temerity to order the bombing of places like Hamburg and Dresden, who many people think that they were charming places similar to Bath and Exeter, with no real connection the the German war effort and 400,000 people were murdered needlessly. The truth states a position quite different to those
of the detractors as both cities were loaded with war factories and some 25,000 people - only - were killed at Dresden. Now 25,000 people dead within three days is quite a handful to deal with but as "Bomber" Harris remarked from the top of the Air Ministry building during one of the first raids on London - " they are sowing the wind - they will reap a whirlwind" .... and they did .. so your point is well taken ... they should not have embarked on the war in the first place !

cheers

Message 2 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by wykwight

Dear Trooper Canning:

Thank-you for your quick reply.

My point, Sir, is to suggest to those who support the heroic contributions of its WWII Bomber Command airmen to speak up. Speak up now while some of these men still live.

Very soon, it will be too late.

Let them know you appreciate what they did, and support them. If doing the right thing means being demonstrative, then by all means, be demonstrative. Don't allow those men to pass on without countering the public criticism of Bomber Command in WWII.

This weekend we celebrate Memorial Day in America. It's when we honor & remember those in the military, we pay tribute to those who are gone, and we say "Thanks".

Perhaps this is why I wrote my note this morning about Bomber Command. I will think of them too on Monday, and give Thanks.

Dick "W"

Message 3 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by ODYSSEY

Hello Tom. It's a long time ago that we had contact with each other: remember the person mauled by a dog living south of you in Seattle??
You advised me to eat my soup through a big straw of A&W rootbeer i.o. slobbering it all over myself trying to eat with my left hand.
Well, I won my lawsuit with the insurance co. of that dogowner in case you'd like to know!
Its been a long time coming.
I lived in Holland during the german occupation and we KNEW when the British flew over to Germany to bomb. : They took enormous risks by flying low so as to find the proper target .
We used to say:the Americans flew so high that often they mistook the target hitting Holland i.o Germany.
A city located near a river in Holland and one just over the border in Germany made all the difference I think. The city of Nymegen was a victim as we heard later.
I was at the university there before I went into nursing : the whole center of Nymegen was bombed flat,the railway station too.
We got many wounded in the hospital where I was in training.

So Dresden and Hamburg were bombed ??:we said they deserved it! What about Coventry???
And the perennial excuse of germans saying":Wir haben es nicht gewust! '; about what Hitler did in concentration camps etc.....A lame excuse!
When Hitler overran our country these Germans were ecstatic: They did not give a hoot about all the people killed by their STUKA's and MESSERSCHMIDTS ! (think of Rotterdam!!)
I still have very little patience with some Germans:too many bad memories.
Give me BOMBER COMMAND any day!!! and we felt terrible when we saw them being shot down . Many a dutchcman tried to save them, many a family harbored them and were exceuted for it!!

So, I got that off my chest!!
It still irks me when i read about Harris as :"MURDERER and"BUTCHER" Don't forget:
Each COIN has TWO sides!!

We did not get very bad cold weather from your side of the border after all.
Hope your tomatoes are growing well.
You use them as a secret weapon to punish people don't you??

Message 4 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by ODYSSEY

Tom, Sorry I forgot to sign my name after above story:Josephine alias :Odyssey:
in case you forgot to whom you sent your cold weather, although you stated it was slightly pre-warmed before sending it down.

Message 5 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

Josephine -
you are incorrigable...we are trying our best to send you the warm weather as it is now 35C up here..but you keep blowing it back.
Thank you for adding to the Bomber Command saga with our friend the Yank
who still does not understand that we British - and you Dutch - don't need lavish memorials to remember our dead...we do that on Novemeber 11th at the Cenotaph in London and all over Britain - and Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth for that matter.Obviously our friend has not seen the Royal Family commemorating our dead at those services, and the millions of poppies falling from the roof of the Albert Hall. On a tour of Autralia and New Zealand a few years ago I was struck by the Cenotaphs in each little village we passed through sometimes with as many men's names as their was population.
Your story of the difference in the flying attitudes and altitudes of the RAF and the USAAF reminded me of the story during the war of - when the Luftwaffe came over - the British ducked - when the RAF went over - the Germans ducked - but when the USAAF went over - everybody ducked ! This , I suppose is why they only flew in daylight !
Your experiences in Holland at that crucial time puts everthing into context and for the Germans to declare
" We were without knowledge" is still a very tame excuse for what they did all over Europe. This is memorial enough to us who are still around.
We must however thank our obviously young American friend for his thoughts of our dead during their Memorial week-end as I usually see - as I am sure you do in Seattle - the many services held all over the States
recalling their many dead of that conflict.
I went back to Italy last September to say a final farewell to my old comrades who still lay there, and I was struck by the many people - young and old - who recognised me as a veteran of those war time days and thanked me and wished me "buona Fortuna "- so our lads are not forgotten as the local schoolchildren
tend to the graves of all in the various and - too many - cemeteries.
I am so pleased to learn that your Law suit has been successful - and as Frank would say - you will be able to buy TWO mars bars now ! One for Christmas and one for your birthday !As you are probably aware a contingent of Canadians has just arrived back in Canada after celebrating the libertation of Holland - 60 years ago and many of the old timers managed to march in a parade... many of them have even sobered up !
regards
tomcan

Message 6 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by wykwight

Trooper "C":

"Lavish" memorials?

I said nothing about "lavish" memorials, sir . . . nor did I comment about how other nationalities chose to memorialize observances.

I only complimented the heroic services of the RAF, and suggested folks speak up loud and clear for these patriots & counter the negativity so often printed about Bomber Command. No more, no less.

And you?

Why you elevate yourself by pronouncing "we" must however thank our young American friend".

And you include little quips like "everybody ducked when it was the USAAF", and "I suppose that's why they only flew in daylight?"

It appears that you have a different agenda in these exchanges than I do, Trooper "C"!

I'll just leave it at that.

Message 7 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 28 May 2005 by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

Dear Yank -

sorry to have you upset at my little quips - they are not mine actually as they were common parlance during the war and everyone accepted those as being facts, I would accept the charge of hearsay in this matter as myself - I spent a great deal of my time in North Africa and Italy during that period.
As you remark yourself - you have just come to learn of the various activities of Bomber Command, while we , who lived through those days of some 60 years ago, have come to accept the facts that it happened - and we move on.
If I can offer you some advice - do try and read some more of that conflict, again from the British perspective - my role is simply to try to help people to understand what happened... when it happened... the "how" it happened is for others to research.
It has been said that if we were to have any kind - lavish or otherwise - of memorial to Bomber Command - then we would also need one for Fighter Command - Coastal Command - Tank Crews - Infantry Battalions - Brigades and Divisions- Royal Navy -
who all played their significant roles....even the cooks of the Catering Corps.... and I would agree with that ! That is my agenda !
and as we have so very little room for all of those memorials -we leave it to the Annual Rembrance Services around the nearest Sunday to November 11th,at the Cenotaph in London and elsewhere. Which as you no doubt will recall was the day the First World War finished in 1918.
It may be of interest to you to learn that there are many memorials to your countrymen who made the sacrifice all over the U.K., they too are remembered on Nov 11th.
with my best regards
Trooper Tom Canning
21st Tank Brigade,
1st Cdn. Inf. Div.

Message 8 - WW11 Bomber Command

Posted on: 29 May 2005 by ODYSSEY

Hello Tom, thanks for your quick answer!Nice!!
Before anything else :We in Holland love the Canadians:huge crowds come out to welcome them every year we commemorate the end of the WAR.( I was one year in H. for the celebrations)
If it had not been for the Canadians who gave me a ride in a Staffcar to Eindhoven:I probably never would have been able to sign up for going to the formr Dutch East Indies to take care of concentration camp Victims.
(I had the fortune to go via England and Australia and was flown in a B-25 bomber to Batavia -now Djakarta-).

And now whenever I need help with my computer I quite often talk to a Canadian :either a male or female and I always tell them that we (and specifically I) like Canadians; Their Help always solves my problems as well:smart and friendly people!!

Our Royal Family participates en masse with the celebrations too and the people of Holland never will forget what they did for us:even young schoolchildren know about the Canadians! their story is kept alive:What more does one need???

Further more lots of people in Holland adopted graves of the boys who gave their life so we could be free!
A Monument is just that:but family members of the adopted graves often came over and that is a more personal THANK YOU.

I am gratefull to the young American remembering the fallen in other countries!
We all sacrificed and that ties us together!!

Well well: 2 Mars bars!
How lucky can I get! especially since I do not like them!!
How about some good dutch chocolate:mmmmm!, did you ever had that???
You would drool all over the taste: I call the Mars: WAX bars i.o chocolate.
In Vancouver is a dutch store where you can get the good stuff!!

Sorry about the heat: I thought you'd like it a after the cold winter?
I am sure your tomatoes love it and that is worth a lot!!

my best: Josephine.

P.S.I know the proper way to end a letter is:REGARDS .
Frank told me that but somehow I don't like it ! It is so stiff!! after a nice conversation.

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