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Dundee Hibs
Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Dundee Hibs aig toiseach 1923/24, goirid mus deach ainm a' chluba atharrachadh. Dealbh le taing do Peter Rundo.

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鈥楽 ann a bha luchd-taic ball-coise rudeigin caillte, tha fhios, nuair a thog iad na p脿ipearan S脿baid aca.

Bha na h-aithrisean toiseach an deireadh-sheachdain air innse gun robh Dundee Hibs a鈥 dol a Dh霉n Bhreatainn. 脌s d猫idh l脿imhe, bha cunntas air mar a chaill Dundee United 3-0.

Is bha seo a thuilleadh air aithrisean eile air ais ann an 1923 mu Dundee City. 鈥楽 beag an t-iongnadh nach robh fios aig cuid de luchd-taic d猫 d矛reach a bu ch貌ir dhaibh 猫igheach.

Tha toiseach an sge貌il p矛os beag air ais a-rithist - gu 1909 - le st猫idheachadh Dundee Hibernian.

The promoters are all Dundee Irishmen鈥, dh鈥檌nnis iris an Scottish Referee. 鈥As the city is said to include in its population no less than thirty thousand of the same persuasion, the new organisation will not want for support鈥.

Bha an cluba 霉r ag amas air soirbheachas Celtic is Hibs a leantainn is rinn sgioba L矛te an turas a Dh霉n D猫 airson a鈥 chiad gheama, rud a ch貌rd gu m貌r ri r霉naire a鈥 chluba 霉ir, Pat Reilly:

Mr Reilly has had offers from many of the leading clubs in Scotland for the opening match, but prefers to have an Irish opening for the season鈥, dh鈥檃ithris an Irish News.

Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Tannadice ann an linn Dundee Hibs. Dealbh le taing do Peter Rundo.

Fhuaireadh dachaigh aig P脿irc Clepington, ainm a dh鈥檃tharraich iad gu luath gu Tannadice, is fhuair iad cuideachd an 矛re mhath sgiobalta 脿ite ann an L矛og na h-Alba.

Ach a dh鈥檃indeoin phlanaichean m貌ra Pat Reilly, cha do shoirbhich le Dundee Hibs is e a鈥 faileachadh orra 脿rd-矛re a ruighinn. 鈥淐ha d' fhuair iad gu dol ceart riamh鈥, tha eachdraiche Dundee United, Peter Rundo, ag innse.

脌s d猫idh dhaibh tuiteam a-mach 脿 L矛og na h-Alba ann an 1922, ghabh b貌rd 霉r an sti霉ir. 鈥淏ha iad a' faireachdainn gum feumadh an cluba t貌iseachadh 脿s 霉r no d矛reach a dhol 脿 bith", tha Peter ag r脿dh.

鈥楽 e a鈥 chiad amas tilleadh dhan l矛og, rud a chaidh a choileanadh 脿s d猫idh iomairt mh貌ir is air an deach f脿ilte a chur anns na meadhanan:

"We hope that the Hibs will live up to the talk of those now at the head of affairs at the Tannadice club, and build a team capable of taking the club into the First Division. Another Dundee club in Division 1 would be the best thing that could happen to senior Tayside football鈥, thuirt an Sunday Post.

Cho luath 鈥榮 a bha iad a-staigh, chaidh an ath-ph脿irt de phlana a鈥 bh霉ird a chur an s脿s: l猫intean geala seach uaine - agus nas connspaidiche - ainm 霉r. 鈥淏ha faireachdainn am measg a' bh霉ird 霉ir nach robh iad airson is gum biodh an cluba ann dhan choimhearsnachd 脠ireannaich a-mh脿in", tha Peter a鈥 m矛neachadh.

鈥楽 e Dundee City a bha iad ag iarraidh is chaidh ainm na companaidh atharrachadh sa bhad, le cuid de dh鈥檃ithrisean a鈥 gabhail City air an sgioba cuideachd.

Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Hibs Dh霉n D猫 is Hibs Dh霉n 脠ideann ron chiad gheama aig cluba 霉r Dh霉n D猫 ann an 1909. Dealbh le taing do Peter Rundo.

Ach tha e an-c貌mhnaidh glic atharrachadh m貌r a ruith seachad air na n脿baidhean an toiseach, nach eil? Rud, a r猫ir choltais, nach do rinn Dundee Hibs. Is tarsainn an rathaid aig Dens, cha robh D霉n D猫 air an d貌igh.

Bha an d脿 ainm ro choltach, thuirt iad, is bha cunnart gun rachadh litrichean is eile dha na h-脿itichean ce脿rr. Fi霉 's aig an 脿m, cha robh m貌ran a' gabhail ris gur e sin dha-r矛ribh a bha a' cur air D霉n D猫.

"Bha D霉n D猫 gam faicinn fh猫in mar phr矛omh chluba a' bhaile. Bha iad air a bhith ann na b' fhaide is bha iad den bheachd le Dundee City gun robh an cluba eile a' feuchainn ri pr矛omhachas fhaighinn", tha Peter ag r脿dh.

Dh鈥檉hailich air an ainm 霉r aig an SFA 鈥 le aona bh貌t 鈥 is th貌isich c貌mhraidhean 霉ra is deasbad litrichean sradagach anns na p脿ipearan. Mhol aon duine Tayside mar ainm: 鈥certainly they must drop the appellation Hibs, for it is not by any means Irish support alone that is making things hum at Tannadice Park鈥.

Bha neach eile den bheachd gur e 鈥piece of colossal impudence鈥 a bh鈥 ann: 鈥The idea of Irishmen being asked to be called the Dundee City shows they are not troubled with shyness鈥.

Is bha litir eile a鈥 cumail a-mach gun robh am buaireadh a鈥 cur nam m矛ltean de luchd-taic a bharrachd gu ruige Tannadice.

T霉s an deilbh, SNS
Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Tha Peter Rundo air rannsachadh m貌r a dh猫anamh air eachdraidh Dundee United.

Chaidh riochdairean bhon d脿 chluba a chur c貌mhla gus fuasgladh a ruighinn, fuasgladh a thug b脿s do Dundee Hibs is beatha do Dundee United, leis an atharrachadh oifigeil a鈥 dol troimhe aig deireadh na D脿mhair 1923 cha mh貌r gun fhiosta - agus a dh鈥檃indeoin gach litreach is connspaid - cha mh貌r gun iomradh air a' cheann thall.

Cha mh貌r, oir chualas aona mhac-talla bho eachdraidh a鈥 chluba.

Dundee Hibs ceases to exist. There are very few regrets鈥, sgr矛obh Evening Telegraph a鈥 bhaile. Beachd a bha d矛reach cus do co-dh矛u aona 脠ireannach ann an D霉n D猫.

A鈥 freagairt leis an litir aige fh猫in an ath-l脿, mh矛nich Pat Reilly na bha an cluba air coileanadh, na bha a鈥 choimhearsnachd 脠ireannach air cur ris, is rinn e luaidh air cluicheadairean a bha air am beatha a chall sa chogadh. Gura math a th猫id leis a鈥 bh貌rd 霉r is an t-ainm aca, thuirt e, ach bhiodh ainm Dundee Hibs "gu bith-bhuan uaine".

Chan eil teagamh nach do rinn an cluba adhartas fon bhrataich 霉ir ge-t脿, a鈥 ruighinn na Ciad Roinne ann an 1925. Bha iad suas is s矛os 脿s d猫idh sin gus an t脿inig dithis mhanaidsearan a thug cruth-atharrachadh orra, Jerry Kerr an toiseach is an uairsin Jim MacIlleathain.

鈥楽 ann fo sti霉ir MhicIlleathain a r脿inig United chan e a-mh脿in b脿rr ball-coise na h-Alba, ach f矛or 脿rd-矛re san Roinn E貌rpa.

T霉s an deilbh, Getty
Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Thug Jim MacIllEathain Dundee United gu 脿rd-矛re, a' buannachadh na Pr矛omh L矛ge is a' ruighinn cuairt-dheireannach Chupa UEFA is iar-chuairt dheireannach Chupa na h-E貌rpa. Bha an cluba ron seo air tighinn air adhart gu m貌r fo Jerry Kerr, is b' ann aig an 脿m seo a th貌isich iad cluich ann an orainds.

Tha Peter Rundo ag r脿dh gun robh 1923 dha-r矛ribh bunaiteach dhan chluba, ach chan eil e a鈥 cur na h-uimhir de chuideam air an ainm, mar a tha cuid eile.

鈥淏ha an cluba ann am f矛or staing ron sin. Cha robh an t-ainm 霉r cho bunaiteach, 鈥榮 e an rud as cudromaiche a bhith air am bh貌tadh air ais gu L矛g na h-Alba is rinn an cluba obair mh貌r gus sin a choileanadh. Cuimhnich gu robh D霉n D猫 nas motha na Obar Dheathain anns na l脿ithean sin is bha e ciallach gum biodh d脿 chluba sa bhaile. Thug iad cuideachd Jimmy Brownlie, a bha air cluich do dh鈥橝lba, a-steach mar mhanaidsear ann an 1923, is bha esan f矛or chudromach aig United鈥.

'S d貌cha gum biodh e air tachairt co-dhi霉, ach shoirbhich leis an oidhirp luchd-taic a tharraing 脿 coimhearsnachd nas fharsainge na 脠ireannich Dh霉n D猫 is an cluba a鈥 s矛or fh脿s is a鈥 t脿ladh luchd-taic bho fhada is fharsaing.

鈥淏ha mi gu math 貌g is tha mi a鈥 creidsinn gun robh mi deamhnaidh is nach robh mi 鈥榮on a bhith a鈥 leantainn nan aon sgiobaidhean 鈥榮 a bhiodh feadhainn eile a thaobh an Old Firm no c脿il鈥, tha Magaidh NicAoidh 脿 Nis ag innse. "'S d貌cha gun robh mi d猫idheil air an dath orainds!鈥

Tha Magaidh den bheachd gu bheil gu le貌r de luchd-taic an l脿 an-diugh nach eil idir mothachail air freumhan uaine a鈥 chluba, is tha i toilichte gu bheil United a鈥 comharrachadh an dualchais seo tron t-seusan seo le diofar thachartasan is leine uaine.

T霉s an deilbh, Magaidh NicAoidh
Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Magaidh NicAoidh aig Tannadice.

"Tha e math a bhith a鈥 comharrachadh is a鈥 cuimhneachadh c貌 脿s a th脿inig sgioba. Feumaidh tu a bhith a鈥 cuimhneachadh a' bhun-st猫idh a bh鈥 aca 鈥 gur ann bho Dundee Hibs a th脿inig iad 鈥 is tha mi a鈥 smaoineachadh gu bheil iad ga dh猫anamh ann an d貌igh a tha dha-r矛ribh iomchaidh鈥, tha i ag r脿dh.

鈥楽 e t脿mailt a th鈥 ann dhan chluba ge-t脿, gu bheil iad a鈥 comharrachadh na clach-mh矛le 脿s an d脿rna 矛re de bhall-coise na h-Alba, l矛g nas 矛sle na D霉n D猫, coltach ri Dundee Hibs air ais aig toiseach 1923/24.

D矛reach mar a bha na sti霉irichean bho shean, tha a h-uile duine aig Tannadice san l脿 an-diugh airson an cluba fhaicinn aig 脿rd-矛re.

鈥淕u math tric nuair a tha D霉n D猫 anns a鈥 Phr矛omh L矛g, tha sinne air a bhith san Championship, no an d貌igh eile, is tha e math nuair a tha an d脿 sgioba sa Phr矛omh L矛g c貌mhla鈥, tha Magaidh ag r脿dh.

鈥淭ha sinn airidh air a bhith san Championship, gu m矛-fhortanach, le mar a chluich sinn an-uiridh, ach 鈥榮 e sgioba mh貌r a th鈥 annta, tha cli霉 air a bhith aca is eachdraidh a thaobh soirbheachas san Roinn E貌rpa.

"Feumaidh sinn d矛reach ar d矛cheall a dh猫anamh is faighinn air ais dhan Phr矛omh L矛g far am bu ch貌ir dhuinn a bhith 鈥 sin a bhiodh an luchd-leantainn a鈥 s霉ileachadh鈥.

Is mar a thuirt na p脿ipearan bho chionn 100 bliadhna, tha fios gur e sin an rud a b'fhe脿rr a b'urrainn tachairt do bhall-coise a' bhaile cuideachd.

T霉s an deilbh, Getty/David Cannon
Fo-thiotal an deilbh,

Bha United cianail faisg air a' chuairt dheireannaich de Chupa na h-E貌rpa ann an 1984, a' call gu connspaideach ri Roma 3-2 thairis air an d脿 gheama.