Thursday, 19 March, 2009
Is getting too big for its boots? On the day (to enable us to see 360 degree views of 25 UK cities) some of Google's critics argue it has gone too far. We debate.
Plus, ahead of the G20 summit of world leaders, Gordon Brown is trying to persuade European leaders that his response to the economic and financial crisis is the right one. He's in Transmit Mode, but are the other Europeans in Receive Mode?
We will have the latest report from Tim Whewell on the new Russia. This time .
And we're hoping to talk to the former Stone Roses guitarist John Squire about .
All that on Newsnight tonight at 10.30pm,
Gavin
Comment number 1.
At 19th Mar 2009, JadedJean wrote:大象传媒 News coverage of the Austrian case has been absolutely appalling.
What has happened to the 大象传媒?
The 大象传媒 used to report facts.
Now it sounds like 'News of The World' on I don't know what!
It really is bad.
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Comment number 2.
At 19th Mar 2009, lordBeddGelert wrote:Forgotten Natasha Richardson already ??
Shameful and shocking. Just because she chose to work in the theatre, and she chose films that weren't always 'commercial' and she didn't live in the country doesn't alter the fact that we should be very proud of this British success and reflect briefly on what we have so tragically lost.
The lights will, I guess, be shining less brightly on Broadway - is it too much to ask to have a brief reminder of this tonight on Newsnight ?
Or at least cover it on Newsnight Review ?
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Comment number 3.
At 19th Mar 2009, ClownsRunTheTowns wrote:Former Newsnight editor got a job working for Google PR the other month. Now his former employers are giving Google loads of free publicity. Coincidence?
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity!
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Comment number 4.
At 19th Mar 2009, simonsqueaky wrote:do google allow their databases to be accessed by the intelligence services?
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Comment number 5.
At 19th Mar 2009, sujita wrote:Newsnight missed the important point that Google's Streetview is an opt out option, which is not good for privacy. Google assumes that anyone who doesn't like their pictures on the Internet can and should interact with Google - what about people who have no access to Internet, people who don't know what is Streetview, people who don't know Google, people who don't know how to contact Google to tell them take off that picture of my house that you have etc. Also, assuming that people should put in the effort to protect their privacy if google's profit making activities trouble them, is not fair - the people didn't ask for pictures of their homes to be put up, if Google wants to do it, the onus should be on them to make sure it doesn't cause any harm to anyone. Any organisation's profit making activities should not by default require people to take action to protect their privacy.
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Comment number 6.
At 19th Mar 2009, Neil Robertson wrote:Comment #3 forgets that the Google story was also on Channel 4 News tonight. The
Newsnight treatment pulled no punches -
it mentioned the Louis Vuiton litigation,
for example and indeed the interlocutor
who wrote 'Googleisation of Everything'
was arguing for critical engagment not
outright condemnation.
Interesting items on Newsnight Scotland after the opt-out included Fergus Ewing
giving an interesting commentary on the
most effective ways to tackle anti-social
behaviour; and a short (but fascinating)
report by Douglas Fraser on how we can
export renewable energy to the world if
we plan ten years ahead and upgrade
our electricity transmission connections.
That may cost three-quarters of a billion
but might be a better investment than a
nuclear deterrent that doesn't work or a further bailout of the banks just so they
can make fat-cat pension payouts to the
likes of Sir Fred Goodwin. The headline in
'Fortune' magazine quoted by Salmond in
this piece apparently read "Scotland rules
the waves". Wave and wind power as the
new North Sea bonanza was the jist of it?!
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Comment number 7.
At 20th Mar 2009, thegangofone wrote:#1 JadedJean
For criticism to be meaningful you need to actually say what was wrong with the piece!
There seems to have been a far right undertone in recent postings that there were racist connotations with regard to Fritzel.
Assuming thats your beef, and I don't see how, its as feeble as your race "realist" ideas.
The psychiatrist was Austrian, was eminent, and treated with respect as were all of the other parties who spoke.
Fritzel pleaded guilty.
I dare say your sensitivity relates to another Austrian of some decades ago with known sexual aberrant behavioural problems with his niece?
She probably had nightmares about drinking to Hitler.
As for your views on the 大象传媒 I don't recall Hitler actually really getting behind the free press.
I think you will find totalitarian states don't actually encourage free press so its odd that you do.
Still you aren't the BNP, so you'll probably go and get hammered and not worry about it all!
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Comment number 8.
At 20th Mar 2009, thegangofone wrote:Thought the Tim Whewell peice on Russia was very interesting and worth the time and the Google piece was "lite".
Still would like to see some analysis on Russia as to who exactly is ordering the assassinations of journalists.
To me it doesn't make sense for it to be Putin as he shouldn't need to. If he gets 90 odd per cent of the vote some criticism means nothing. I acknowledge some of those votes are bought
but he is easily in "credit".
That then raises the issue of there being other "tectonic plates" that we don't know about. The FSB with too free a hand?
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Comment number 9.
At 20th Mar 2009, ecolizzy wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 10.
At 20th Mar 2009, bookhimdano wrote:given what's going on the google was never lead story [that news boards were not interested in it should have be a warning?]. so it was quite funny to see gavin thrash about trying to 'orchestrate ' some 'debate' from a clearly planted story.
as for the pop band i felt i had been transported to heat magazine tv.
topics not covered
why energy companies are allowed to get away with rip off prices.
why there is no election.
a follow up to the veteran Chinese intelligence officer telling all
The Council of Indian Muslims (U.K.) has urged the government to refuse a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to enter Britain because of his role in the 2002 communal riots in his State. In a letter to Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, Chairman of the Council Munaf Zeena said Mr. Modi鈥檚 presence posed a 鈥渢hreat to inter-communal relations in the U.K.鈥
and many other more 'news type' stories.
i see the 'planning meeting' bit of the board has vanished. given the current output choices was that wise?
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Comment number 11.
At 20th Mar 2009, streetphotobeing wrote:Google Street View -
its a problem, but I believe we should document in the street and must have freedom of the press. The answer lies in the future, for me, its important to record the now time.
These URL's may be of interest on this issue :
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Comment number 12.
At 20th Mar 2009, lordBeddGelert wrote:Peter Barron has QUIT ?? Who knew !!
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Comment number 13.
At 20th Mar 2009, streetphotobeing wrote:Your news, your pictures
Manic street features
"In contributing to 大象传媒 News you agree to grant us a royalty-free, non-exclusive licence to publish and otherwise use the material in any way that we want, and in any media worldwide. "
The 大象传媒 are just exploiting amateur photographers and the ease of digital use that go hand in hand with it. Given the fact that people have to pay a licence fee its more than a bit rich. IF YOU USE PEOPLES PHOTO WORK YOU SHOULD PAY THEM !
Sorry if the layout is gone wrong I
Your news, your pictures
Manic street features
"In contributing to 大象传媒 News you agree to grant us a royalty-free, non-exclusive licence to publish and otherwise use the material in any way that we want, and in any media worldwide. "
The 大象传媒 are just expoliting amateur photographers and the ease of digital use that go hand in hand with it. Given the fact that people have to pay a licence fee its more than a bit rich. IF YOU USE PEOPLES PHOTO WORK YOU SHOULD PAY THEM !
Sorry if the layout is gone wrong I just don't have time at the moment.
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Comment number 14.
At 20th Mar 2009, JadedJean wrote:thegangofone (#7) You clearly have no more understanding of forensic psychology/psychiatry than you do of good 'reporting'.
"Look at his eyes!" is not the sort of remark one expects to hear from serious reporters. Nor should it elicit respect when reporters ask psychiatrists whether offenders are 'monsters' (such terms do not appear in ICD-10 or DSM-IV).
In my view, the rest of your post just serves to further illustrate your own disturbed behaviour and inability to rationally judge and analyse events objectively.
Try to learn the difference between rational, critical analysis and abuse.
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Comment number 15.
At 21st Mar 2009, dennisjunior1 wrote:Sarah:
Is Google getting too big for its boots? On the day they launch Street View in Britain (to enable us to see 360 degree views of 25 UK cities) some of Google's critics argue it has gone too far. We debate.
Yes, Google is getting too big for its boots...Interest of full disclosure: I have 2 email accounts with the company.
Re: 360 As, the 大象传媒 Have Your Say had a thread about this...I was paraphrased my comments, No...I will not be using its services....Regarding the Street View programme..
~Dennis Junior~
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Comment number 16.
At 22nd Mar 2009, JunkkMale wrote:3. At 7:23pm on 19 Mar 2009, ClownsRunTheTowns wrote:
It is a story, evidently, and one that is bubbling along. I wonder if the 'any publicity is...' notion applies.
Just saw Mr. Barron on Breakfast News in his new role (amazing how many ex-大象传媒 folk now in major IT slots... Google, Microsoft, etc). I am sure common coincidence and not on purpose.
I must say it was a stout defence worthy of the most frustrated editor dragged out of bed on a Sunday to trot out something to shut up a Ray Snoddy Newswatch 'we're listening' dawn slot question. Only this time it was ex-colleague Charlie State being, I must concede, pretty investigative in his questioning. Wonder if it will make the later editions?
Didn't quite get round the airy, if slightly less than useful comfort zone reply of 'Oh, we don't think that's the case', end of matter, reply, mind.
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12. At 3:24pm on 20 Mar 2009, lordBeddGelert
It was mentioned. Mind you, many of his staff seemed not to realise for a while, including his successor, as the Editor's blog carried on in his name until someone pointed it out a few times (a few of us are never too sure they ever read what they write, much less what is posted in reply). Probably due to the problems of only getting 拢3B to help with staffing numbers and training, due to the unique nature of the funding.
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