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haven't they gone yet?

This might be worth discussing as well.

Hhhhmmm first the bridge collapse and now this

Hhhhhmmm didn't we employ a lot of people from India to build our Olympic stadium?

#:2

Depends who. It is. For some it might be the best place under the Sun, especially when it shines bright, while for the malcontents, and admittedly some unlucky ones, it might be either the worst or not so comfortable a place to exist.

mim

#41 from previous page

Goes without saying that they're all reading 'their' book.

When I write mine, I hope it's going to sell like colourful and hot cakes.

mim

Pakistan has been attacked by the media because its the next military objective of destruction capitalism along with Iran. So when you discuss events damaging Pakistan's reputation will you include ´óÏó´«Ã½'s days of constant coverage on a trivial betting scam when they have horrendous floods. Also include yourselves in making it an issue on Newsnight. Then ask yourself why are you doing the US's dirty work ?

Singie

Was it Jj that kept ranting on about statism? Would you believe that somebody keeps trying to hack into my laptop under the name static.bbc.co.uk?

I've written to the Chairman of this institution about it and am now awaiting a response, wondering whether to forward it to Mark Thomson as well, and a few other people in High Places.

mim

#6

What trivial betting scam are talking about, flick?
I've never heard neither Paul, nor Paxo or Crick
Talking about bets on any of the programmes.
Do you yourself, bowevwer, ever have anything to do with scams

Trade war with China is under way; plan B is gold standard.

"6. At 2:06pm on 22 Sep 2010, flicks2 wrote:
Pakistan has been attacked by the media because its the next military objective of destruction capitalism along with Iran.......Then ask yourself why are you doing the US's dirty work ?"

That's probably correct, but why stop there? Why not ask whose dirty work America is doing, and to what end? Who benefits from all this freedom in the Rawlsian scheme?

Mike Maloney "talking his book" but also explaining what the govt / bankers have done - his talking to Russian bankers

7.30 min in is the important info

#26 from the previous page

Is the contest finished yet, flick? If so, was it the trout that won or the angel fish?

#13. addendum

Whatever the fish I'm at the ´óÏó´«Ã½.
Well, on its grounds in the White City
And the sky's looking pretty,
With planes having drawn a design
Of a Victory sign
Which I've captured on my Apple camera,
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera!!!!

mim

From Harry Schultz via Max Keiser

"Four US banks are to open branches in Iran - Citibank and Goldman are
among the first applicants" ? WTF if that's anything like true all bombing bets are on shaky ground.

MAYBE THAT IS WHY (#2)

We spend so much time in Johnnie Foreigner Lands.

THINK 9/11 (#15)

Killing your own is enshrined in the lie.

THE WORST KIND OF DESCRIMINATION (#3 link)

If foreign trained doctors can come to Britain and attend the sick (and dying) surely multicultural jerry-building should also be allowed to house our nationals. Multicultural death is certainly preferable, in these 'global' times, to petty-regulated British safety.

Never forget, in tests: 2 out of 3 pigs built unsafe houses.

Blogging bidders

How is it going, bidders? Have you scored well?

Oh, and flick, have you seen the bauble fullnof gold today?

#12

Happy with the 7.30 outcome?

#12

Happy with the 7.30 outcome?

21



a thrill, a brain drain or a migraine ?

"BROADEST BACK SHOULD CARRY BIGGEST (TAX) BURDEN"

I am watching the Cable speech.

Do MPs still pay no income tax, in The Age of Fairness?

'A PROGRAMME OF STICKS AND CARROTS TO MAKE THEM LEND.'

Why not just instruct the banks that 'WE' own to lend at attractive rates. This would starve the other banks of business and they would have to match OUR BANK(S). Sorted.

But - as I said before - despite VC's bluster, SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT. There is something about 'bank power' that we are not being told. But then, LibDems live within the lie too.

'CAPITALISM TAKES NO PRISONERS'

Neither does utterly corrupt WESTMINSTER PARTY POLITICS Mr Cable. Propriety begins at home. Put your HOUSE in order. Close the bars. Tax the MPs. Drop the gratuitous UNEARNED 'Honourable' title. Stop strutting (and bombing) the world and attend to the madness of this country. Then you can bang on about the bad behaviour of directors, with some degree of integrity (just some).

Westminster takes no notice. SPOILPARTYGAMES

#8 update

Sir Michael Lyons, nor anybody on his behalf, has/have responded to my e-mail. However, when I opened my laptop on return from the ´óÏó´«Ã½, I've had no warnings at all about any hackers trying to poke around in my files.

VINCE CABLE SAYS: "KEEP US HONEST"

So he acknowledges the risk of dihonesty! How about getting Nick to admit it was his PERSONAL AMBITION that led to coalition? (And Charles Kennedy was the only one with integrity.)

"12. At 4:49pm on 22 Sep 2010, flicks2 wrote:

Mike Maloney "talking his book" but also explaining what the govt / bankers have done - his talking to Russian bankers"

OK, some context for a point I want to make: As I understand it, when explaining FRB to these Russian bankers (of all people...) this gold/silver bubble hawker (note, at about $1000 an oz, there's would only be about $5,000 billion (5 trillion) worth in the world, and for comparative purposes, bear in mind that the total market capitalization of just those companies listed on the NYSE is over $12,000 billion), makes rather light of the fact that when banks lend out money deposited, they do so whilst charging interest on the loans. This creates assets. Now, if you borrowed $300,000 at say 10% pa taking out a 25 year loan, you would have paid back the $300,000 in just 9 years, leaving the bank to make another 4x that sum over the remaining 15 years on top of getting their $300,000 back. That's a good return if invested with compound interest.

Now, you and Mr gold/silver bubble hawker could assert that banks are selling on that debt as a means to 'make money from think air', except it wouldn't really be true would it? he'll also be suggesting the fiat money system is going to collapse and gold will soar to £15,000 an oz yes?

Alternatively banks could say that they are making money out of your impulsivity/stupidity or whatever, except they won't say that as that would be bad for business. Increase the interest rate to 17% - 30% for some credit cards and you begin to see how happy bankers are to have more free consumers who are cognitively challenged, and why they've been so keen on promoting sex and race equality etc (and keen on censoring evidence which refutes human equality as it's bad for their economy).

Look up Monty Slater and Hansard.

Brilliant Jeremy tonight, kicking off with Lord Malloch-Brown/Naipaul/Zacharia on the almost failed state of Pakistan and how corruption is the norm to why screenwriters do not receive the recognition they deserve. From Harperson to Featherstone - has no-one noticed that their policies (from long maternity leaves etc) that they make women even less employable?
Good luck to Linda Carty in having a last minute stay order on her death sentence and have a re-trial. Great piece by Peter :o)

THOSE CORRUPT PAKISTANIS - YOU TELL 'EM PAXO

But try not to think of England. Invasion on a whim - rendition with lies - arms deals - Locherby/Kelly/money for honours/BAE - General Election falsehoods and funds - Tax evasion and non-doms - slave labour - need I go on?

Corruption takes many forms - we excel in most of them.

"26. At 10:07pm on 22 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
#8 update

Sir Michael Lyons, nor anybody on his behalf, has/have responded to my e-mail. However, when I opened my laptop on return from the ´óÏó´«Ã½, I've had no warnings at all about any hackers trying to poke around in my files."

I suggest you look up 'cookie' and try to find out how they work, and why the ´óÏó´«Ã½ etc use them.


/webwise/guides/about-cookies


We all have trouble understanding how the world works at times, but most of us realise that the world is not conspiring against us, it's just that we're imperfect, i.e not omniscient, in fact, far from it.

29. At 11:31pm on 22 Sep 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:

"Brilliant Jeremy tonight, kicking off with Lord Malloch-Brown/Naipaul/Zacharia on the almost failed state of Pakistan and how corruption is the norm "

Do you think reports on Debka are as fair and balanced as those on the ´óÏó´«Ã½?

Pakistani Journo Protests a little bit tooooo much me thinks.
I caste no aspersions. Nuclear war was also averted.. whooo! close call there, thank the Gods yer man -on the wall screen - had another go at 'Nudging Pakistan in the right direction'.
Pakistanis are known for dishonorable habits..not exactly a revelation that comment really is it. Go build up some rapport with a a taxi driver or restaurant owner/worker. You'll soon see how these folk operate, they've all been at it for yrs over here anyway. And they are all well versed in the British benefits system and how to play it.
Pakistan is mostly full of poor, the grinding poverty the average Brit could never imagine is the day-to-day experience for these Pakistanis and with no hope for escape. So generations of poverty don't breed honour easily, not when your at base-level survival and lets not mince words here but the place is a hole anyhow..so corruption in countries such as Pakistan is gonna be a given.

@Tabblenabble01 #32 - Wikipedia can be written and edited by anyone. It is hardly a reliable source. Practically every journalistic source has some element of bias in it. For instance, war reporting, depending on which side you're on is a classic example. I like debka.com because it gives the news all the usual MSM outlets give out 4-5 days later....The Socialist Worker doesn't do it for me :p

#31

And what if the world would start conspiring against yourself? It did against Hitler, for example.

No, you're definitely not omniscient. Was it an admission on your part or were you referring to everybody else but yourself, jj?

#36 addendum

It's a pure coincidence but JJ is 'associated' with the firm called JJ which runs big vans with a 'symbol' 36. I wonder whether the NN JJ gets all 'excited' about it while tabblenabble gets 'excited' by table 1, especially on the chairs opposite the Queen's Ice Rink? That's partly I didn't go ice skating today and chose instead the ´óÏó´«Ã½ in Wood Lane.

Part two of Mike Maloney's talk to Russian bankers :-



"Shoulder head shoulder down"

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33. At 00:45am on 23 Sep 2010, kevseywevsey wrote:

"Pakistan is mostly full of poor, the grinding poverty the average Brit could never imagine is the day-to-day experience for these Pakistanis and with no hope for escape. So generations of poverty don't breed honour easily, "

Heuristic questions:

1. Is grinding poverty generally the consequence of lack of money or lack of ability?
2. Where it is assumed that poverty is due to lack of money, has financial aid generally improved matters?
3. Is there any evidence that poverty is the result of lack of ability?
4. Is there any evidence that providing money generally increases ability?

Final question: why doesn't it matter that however often the facts of the matter are presented, many people persist with the (false) beliefs which they originally hold, and get angry when some people try to change them (i.e educate them)?

#40

Are you talking to me, mr table? Van Gogh wasn't rich and look at his posthumous success the world over. Not that I'm in any way comparing myself to the painter, no, I'm not. You can stick your 'imaginary' money you know where. If you do have some, if you haven't squandered what you used to earn, which was probably quite a lot, considering the job you're in or were in, you better spend it on your wife, if not ex-wife by now, your children and grandchildren if you have any, or in fact anything you want, 'pleasure' and things like that but I do now want even a penny from you. Capice?

HHhhmmmm I wonder if NN will have this on...

"42. At 09:21am on 23 Sep 2010, ecolizzy wrote:
HHhhmmmm I wonder if NN will have this on..."

Whilst you're no doubt right to keep pointing to the deterioration in standards of behaviour, the timing of this report must surely be in response to imminent public sector cuts? Still, the way the new government operates it will cynically reason that if there are less police, there will be less recorded crime. But why is behaviour deteriorating as it is? One reason no doubt is because the population is in fact physically deteriorating as it grows in a skewed manner (Pakistan is another example) and this probably accounts for the shoddy grade inflation which we keep being exposed to each year (they can't even manage that subtly any longer). The other, I suggest, is that as we have become more and more secular (arrogant/infantile?) thinking that means liberated, we have in fact just become more fearful of the unfamiliar, and the most obvious thing that we have become more fearful of is the difference between right and wrong. What people don't understand, they try to hide from or ignore, invariably with dire consequences.

Religions were not created by fools. They were systems of governance.

'YOBS TAKE OVER' (#42 link) (also #25)

Animal imperatives rule: unquestioning loyalty to the group; absolute power of the alpha (leader); gratuitous attack on 'the other group'; NO OTHER QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED. aka: Feral male behaviour.

But was I describing street kids or WESTMINSTER POLITICS?

640 role models.

Have they closed the cheap bars; dropped the 'Honourable': taxed their pay YET? Yeah right.

No comment, but

Max Keiser predicts casino gulag and has a dark sense of humour :-

#42

Do you have any comments on this, Ecolizzy? Or should it be read in the 'in between lines', so to speak?

mim

'WHERE HAVE ALL THE TASMANIANS GONE' (45 link)

Hi 76. 'The Lucifer Effect' (Zimbardo) is a great leveller in this area. Give the MALE 'the tools' and he will 'finish the job'. As St Obama is inclined to orate: "MAKE NO MISTAKE".

Opportunity = atrocity. It's a Testosterone thing.

PS Obama made no mention of the original 'owners' of USA either. Plus ca change.

DID THE CRUCIFICTION HAVE AN APPOSITE BACKDROP? (#46 link)

The message is both compelling and chilling. However, far more depressing, to me, was the dramatic location chosen. Is he aware that he has bought-in to the American Nightmare, EVEN AS HE DECRIES IT?

When the news channels finally announce the rolling starvation toll, it will be with visuals of Armageddon and with the anchor almost drowned out by Holst's 'Mars'.

The primary right, of every individual, is 'NOT TO BE CONCEIVED' the only other one worth having is 'DEATH ON DEMAND'. Close, but no cigar.

#45

Do you think, Mistress76uk, that there may be amongst us a reincarnation of Hitler who's up to advanced scientific experiments? After all, quite a few of Newsnight bloggers keep going on about a similar type of experiment mentioning frequently Hitler in the same breath. Perhaps the 'incarno' is experimenting on us all. What do you think? Yes, no, don't know or would prefer to keep you mouth shut?

mim

#48

Funny you should used the French phrase 'plus ca change'. Andrew Rawnsley used to use in the late eighties. Are you continuing in his vein, testing 'testesterone' /that's how I'll call you from now on, singie/ 23 years later or so? Perhaps I should call you, or one of your mates, 'waiting forever testing testesterone'. Is this nickname to your taste?

corruption

...if you are not in it you are a loser...

this is exactly the whole basis of Plato's Republic. It shows why choosing justice is the best choice even if it appears the tyrant is 'the winner'.

What happened to honour.

can we ask this question in the uk? In the 70's one could leave ones doors open, cars and bikes unlocked. Then late 70's it changed. What happened to the british honour system? When was it wiped out? Why do we churn out people with little honour who do not feel pleasure at choosing the good? When did this pig society happen?

#52

You're wrong, jaunty, people, though not everybody, have been stealing, killing, cheating, lying from time immemorial. Alas, it is a part of the human nature though luckily only a part which billions of people do not succumb to such extremes as stealing and killing.

But, I agree with you on the justice bit. It does work sometimes even if in some cases it does take a very long time.

WHY DO WE CHURN OUT PEOPLE AT ALL? (#52)

Ask the Pope and you'll get vagary; ask the Arch of Cant and he'll say 'Difficult' (but with aplomb); ask yourself and it will keep you busy till it's time to go.

Jaunty asks why we churn out individuals of such poor specification - I suggest it is a consequence of culture erosion.

The giant error we are now getting into is the myth of the Global Village. Global Villages have their idiots, like Brown, who think we can fix the globe as a unit; if it WERE a village, we could.

The only chance I can see, is if states who still have an IDENTITY (aka culture) turn in on themselves (shock horror) and re-work their culture towards the highest ideals they can sustain. With a lot of luck, the example might spread. Examples are out there already of states that have done just that. But while Britain continues to play Globopoly (did we all catch Clegg waving the AID PLEDGE to enhance his kudos at the Globopoly Table?) and makes political decisions to that end, neither we not the Global Garbage will go anywhere nice.

#53 addendum

Talking of justice, I do hope with all my heart that Linda Carty will not be executed. My impression is that she is definitely not guilty of the murder she's being accused of. And what an amazing character she seems to be from what we saw in the clips anyway. Still able to smile, sing, talk rationally and keeping her cool.

mim

#43 Whilst you're no doubt right to keep pointing to the deterioration in standards of behaviour, the timing of this report must surely be in response to imminent public sector cuts?

Oh yes that's partly my thinking tab01, a very apt time to talk up anti social behaviour.

I agree with a lot of your analysis, but I'm not sure religion would stop it, I think there seemed to be a natural approach to right and wrong, not necessarily the church. When I was child it was just recognised you would behave well, if you didn't some neighbour or other reported you to your parents and you got a clip round the ear.

Liberalism is to blame I suppose, everyone is too scared to complain properly or immediately about anything. Fear does seem to be the driving force!

What people don't understand, they try to hide from or ignore, invariably with dire consequences.

^That's a very exact statement tab!

#54 WHY DO WE CHURN OUT PEOPLE AT ALL?

Barrie a horrible thing on my part to propose, but perhaps we ought to let nature take her course?! Real life, survival of the fittest. We are so good at keeping everyone alive, even if very old and not wanting to be here anymore, so why is euthanasia not on the cards. I wouldn't want to be here with dementia, but no one would be able to bash me on the 'ed! Why do we strive to keep very poorly infants alive, often suffering cruelly by the "life saving" medicine. Then sometimes left will debilitating problems that will always affect their lives. Life at all cost, is that right?

And then as you often say at the other extreme, we are inventing new ways of killing and destroying people as well, the whole thing is mad.

Perhaps if these sun spots come to fruition, we might all get off the internet, and actually lead normal lives for a short while! ; )

"41. At 08:55am on 23 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
#40

Are you talking to me, mr table?"

Short answer:- No, and that should have been obvious given that the post was addressed to someone else.

Longer answer:- Imagine group behaviour like this en masse. If it coalesced, what name might one give it? Group members would seek the limelight, want to be liked etc, but would not pursue this in an entirely comprehensible manner. It would nevertheless get lots of attention. In some species, ironically birds, it's the males which makes colourful displays. This is reversed in (most) humans.


52. At 12:10pm on 23 Sep 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

"What happened to honour?"

Bad breeding.

"56. At 1:50pm on 23 Sep 2010, ecolizzy wrote:

I agree with a lot of your analysis, but I'm not sure religion would stop it, I think there seemed to be a natural approach to right and wrong, not necessarily the church. When I was child it was just recognised you would behave well, if you didn't some neighbour or other reported you to your parents and you got a clip round the ear."

I guess that's basically what I was saying. I was suggesting that's the function of most religions has been to serve as proxies for "there's someone bigger and more powerful than I" when trying to get the right behaviours our of those one is responsible for. I think people like Dawkins have not grasped that the battle we have is with lack of humility, i.e that people are not omnipotent, omniscient - something every good scientist should know. When this self-critical awareness is lacking, what is there? Isn't this why so many parents today feel that they have so little control and why so many kids today are such self-centred monsters? It does not mean we can reverse this mind, if my bleaker thoughts are correct. Only war or some other culling process would do that :-(

#56

Mad is the word, Ecolizzy, though we may not agree on who in fact is mad. 'we are inventing new ways of killing and destroying people as well,' - do you include yourself with the 'we' here or are you using it only as a figure of speech?

'everyone is too scared to complain properly or immediately about anything. Fear does seem to be the driving force!' - I'm not scared.

mim (^_^)(^_^)(^_^)(^_^)(^_^)(^_^)(^_^)

#58

Oh, are you well bred, table?

#59

in line with Hitler?

In response to various abusive/attention seeking posts from Mimpromptu:

If and when people became a danger to themselves or to others, or when they otherwise seriously and repeatedly disrupt the lives of communities, and refuse to desist, they are removed for the general good of the community. This is what happens in the real world all the time.
You can see it here, and you can see it on the news. Sometimes, those who persist with anti-social behaviour describe those restricting their activities as 'fascist' or make abuse remarks. This, sadly, is how many in our Liberal-Democracies now use words like 'Hitler', i.e to licence communally unacceptable behaviour in the name of freedom and independence. I am saying that many of the problems which we see today are a consequence of neo-liberalism, which is no more than anarchism.
What matters is behaviour and its consequences, not the reasons which people give for behaviour.

Tab01 another reason why law and order is breaking down here



It makes the innocent citizen such an easy prey, when the law won't support him/her. Just what has happened to this country when someone can be kicked out of their own home so easily?! We are truely mad, mad beyond hope!

"Just what has happened to this country when someone can be kicked out of their own home so easily?! We are truely mad, mad beyond hope!"

What has happened is what I said above. All we can hope to do is try to recover some of that abandoned ground. part of that will be a reversion to old gender roles where women had respect for men and did as they were told. That's clearly a very unpopular thing to say, but it has to be done, as the sexes are not designed to be equal, and the ridiculous efforts to go beyond equal opportunity (which is sound) is just a part of the strategic anarchism, which it's clear to me, is the madness to which you refer. The dire consequences of that can be seen across all Liberal-Democracies, if one just looks beyond 'the veil of ignorance'
(Rawls - which I see as Dreben (or more accurately Husserl) as much as Rawls.).