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Friday 15 October 2010

Verity Murphy | 11:48 UK time, Friday, 15 October 2010

Here is Emily with details of tonight's programme:

Cheating Death:

In a week where "Los treinta y tres" re-emerged from a hell hole half a mile deep below ground, there has been much to celebrate in the way of lucky escapes.

Tonight we talk - exclusively - to another Chilean who cheated death, the writer Ariel Dorfman.

As a cultural advisor to Salvador Allende, working in the presidential palace, he escaped the coup by Pinochet purely by chance - he'd swopped shifts with someone else.

Tonight he talks to us about what this last extraordinary week has meant for Chile, for its miners and for its place in the world.

Liverpool FC:

The complicated comings and goings at Liverpool FC make Fermat's Last Theorem look like the Grazia sudoku column.

If you haven't followed every twist and turn of the club's potential sale, then you're probably, safely in about the top 98 percentile of sane people in this country.

But anyway, amidst court injunctions, suings, claims for damages and billionaire buyers it was finally bought. Whatever happened to good old fashioned football? We'll examine that tonight.

SNP:

And as the Scottish Finance Secretary lambasts the Westminster government's programme of cuts we ask John Swinney how he can justify and even pay for the measures Scotland is taking right now.

Join me at 10.30pm on 大象传媒 Two.

Emily

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    So presumably the million foreign kids that will join our education system in the next ten years, and their parents, will qualify for these new benefits?



    Fair isn't it supporting the whole world?!

  • Comment number 2.

    What a very clever president the Chilians have! He stage managed that rescue very successfully, we were all there with them. And then what do I see we suddenly have a Chilian/American author on NN. Anything with the word Chile in it will sell wonderfully well at the moment.

    I would add that I admire the Chile people for the successful rescue of those miners, and I particularly loved the cohesion and comradeship of the people below and above ground. Would that happen here now? I don't think so, we are so diverse, we wouldn't know social cohesion and solidarity if it jumped up and bit us!

  • Comment number 3.

    Reply to #1


    Oh God help us.

    Who decided that what poor 2 year olds need is 15 hours a week in a prescribed institution mostly surrounded by feather headed young women following a handbook of do's and don'ts.

    What they need is a stable home life, love, good nutrition, a supportive community, and as wide an experience of the world around them (with the necessary protection offered by caring guardians) as possible. That may be playing in the park, a walk to the shops feeding the ducks or kicking up the leaves.

    NOT to be shoved into a narrow banded utopian nightmare called nursery school.

    That applies to all two year olds 鈥 the rich ones need to learn too that foreign holidays or designer clothes are the choice of parents and not a need for the children.

  • Comment number 4.

    Singie

    If Nick doesn't fix it, then Phoenix will. Full Stop.

  • Comment number 5.

    #3 Entirely agree with you LC2, as Oliver James has written, children up to the age of three should remain at home with their mother or father, or a close relative, they learn nothing from nursery school etc. only how to bully and fight others when older. Two year olds squable and do not share, they pull things out of each others hands and are selfish. Presumably because they learn to be callous and uncaring very early in life, they know how to put the boot in (metaphorically) when older.

  • Comment number 6.

    #5

    Ecolizzy

    Although your description fits in with LC2, I spent both my babyhood and early childhood i'n nurseries and was already aware of what was going on around me and I do consider myself a relatively caring person now at the age of 56. I even remember when I was about 4 to 6 fighting.for a friend of mine of more or less the same age who was being attacked by a nasty . And it went on later on at school and is going on now.

    mim

  • Comment number 7.

    #5
    Ah but EcoLizzy, it will all be all right because, if I heard right, when they are 20 they will get a free suit.

    Savile Row or De-Mob??

    Doh!

  • Comment number 8.

    CAN WE HAVE THE MINE SCENE FROM SNOW WHITE WITH THAT?

    At least put the dwarves up on the video wall. Great to see more mileage extracted from the Chilean rescue. It's real gold.

    All together now: We did dig dig dig . . .

  • Comment number 9.



    Today鈥檚 鈥楾oday鈥 had a very interesting focus group piece this morning. (08.35 ish ?)

    Nn doesn鈥檛 often do this type of thing and when it does it is pretty ...... Naff.

    (Much like when it has live aka comatose audiences really!)

    Why!

    Newsnight .... Aloof? Out of touch? Not interested? Too much of a stretch on the budget?

    Or just too, too, too uncomfortable with anything other than Peer to Peer?


    Face up to facts there are a lot of people out in the 鈥榬eal鈥 world whom might have something interesting to say, may be 鈥榮avvy鈥 enough to say it in a non-inappropriate manner - i.e a one minute 鈥榖loop鈥 delay might not always need be active - and somebody in the Nn viewing audience might actually be interested in hearing what members of the GBP have to say!

    Besides you could save some dosh!

    Surely it is cheaper than fawning over the views of a non-entity-celebrity, author or predictable hack?

    (Strangely the public are all too often 鈥榗ollared鈥 when Nn does an overseas 鈥榮tory鈥 but here .... the expert, the campaigner, the lobbyist, the axe grinder, the poet! Perhaps 鈥榦ver there鈥 - wherever that might be - the Intelligentsia charge too much. Add in their Agent鈥檚 30 per cent and one supposes it must become prohibitive?)



    Incidentally I haven鈥檛 received the application pack yet!

    Is it in the post?



  • Comment number 10.

    LC AND LIZZY POSTER - WELL KNOWN DOUBLE ACT (various above)

    What a tonic you two are! And right on the (absent) money. But when you look at who is in charge, and who is advising, regarding kids wellbeing - small wonder.

    The trouble with politicians is they do not get paid by results. And if they did, they would rig them. (Oh - they already do).

    But one small light in the darkness: Willie Hague has declared war on the entire world, to the end time, so we shall need lots of dumb kids to recycle as heroes (aka get themselves killed).

    Oh - it's all going awfully down the pan.

  • Comment number 11.

    WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE RULING CLASSES AND 'DISCIPLINE'? (#1 link)

    On the occasions I had to discipline my boys, I felt I had failed. Good does not come from discipline, only discipline comes from discipline. Total parenting avoids the need.

    Perhaps we are back to the wretched militaristic thread that runs right through this nation? Our Globopoly-playing elite, see armed adventure as 'making the man', even though he must first be broken to mindless conformity - aka discipline. As I have posted before: our pageantry from birth to death, and at all points between, is military in nature. There's another uninspected hangover from times long gone.

    Good old Kipling, he made exceedingly good points.

  • Comment number 12.

    Remember Salvador Allende book "Chile's Road to Socialism" and look upon the subsequent works and despair. (Somewhat from Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley) On page 38 of the English translation these very same mining industries were scheduled for Nationalisation to prevent the exploitation of the miners and the export of the countries wealth - Salvador Allende was right in 1973 and is still right today 37 years later and for exactly the same reasons!

    The people's condition has improved a bit in recent years but still the terrible ghosts of the 'Boys from Chicago' tower over the country. The poor are still desperately poor despite all of the wealth generated by mining. If Chile had been Norway there would have been a substantial improvident in the social condition.

    Chile needs to take on board the lessons of history and not reject them. This is true of all developing countries, but ask the question 'why were the lives of the miners so cheap that their safety did not matter!

  • Comment number 13.

    #12 Yes John while watching some of this rescue, I was thinking why were men in such a precarious situation. I kept being reminded of China, I thought they lose many lives each year to mine collapse, and they appear to treat life as of little value.

    Then I found this after reading your thoughts.



    And yes that billanaire president must have got his money from somewhere, the Chileans?

  • Comment number 14.




    Locally there is a Nursery, one of several, run and subsidised by the local authority.

    It is on a 鈥榮ink鈥 estate.

    It caters for nought to five year old children and shares the building with a 鈥淪ure-start鈥 children鈥檚 centre. It is periodically assessed by Ofsted and regularly gets good - or better - reports. All staff are qualified NVQ 2 or above thru鈥 to Degree level and are highly motivated. The Staff continually strive to work as a professional team towards high achievable standards. The Nursery is highly respected by the local community and it is all too often oversubscribed.

    A large proportion of it鈥檚 鈥榗lient鈥 base i.e. children are West or East African. Some others are East European and several are from Asia. A few are of Caribbean origin. The remainder are British Caucasian.

    Some children are less able - academically or physically - or 鈥榗hallenging鈥. Some children are bright. Some are not so. The ability range stretches from top to bottom. Good behaviour and courtesy for Staff, Parents and children is the 鈥榤inimum requirement鈥 expectation and desired high level outcomes for the children is the norm.

    By 鈥榬egulation鈥 it has, prominently displayed, an oft altered 鈥淕reetings鈥 board that welcomes people using a multitude of languages and dialects. It has an ever-changing library of children鈥檚 books illustrated with multi-ethnicity illustrations to demonstrate the diversity of the community. It successfully meets the remit to celebrate other religious festivals, cultures and faiths. It has ready access to Translators, via the Local Authority, of many different languages.

    Some of the - immigrant - parents, and children, speak little or no English. Some speak a combination of their 鈥榤other tongue and English, some speak 鈥榓ccented鈥 English and some speak English extremely well.

    Many of the mothers work. Many are Single Parents. Many attend the local FE college and many are in receipt of state benefits.

    Some parents 鈥榥eed鈥 to place their children in Nursery care. Some have no choice. Some prefer to use trained staff for a multitude of reasons. Some need the 鈥榖reak鈥 and some just want to shift the 鈥榩arenting鈥 responsibility.

    By virtue of the last Government half a dozen two year old children from low income stroke deprived families have 10 hours care provided free by the state as part of a national scheme.

    (The Coalition have today announced what appears to be an additional five hours per week for these same children although it would appear that the Coalition are duly choosing to claim the 鈥榗redit鈥 for the entire 15 hours.)





    The above described Nursery is under review for closure.

    As are all the local authority Nurseries!




  • Comment number 15.

    'Liverpool have won more court injunctions than games so far this season!'

    (Radio 4, Today)

  • Comment number 16.

    #14 JAperson
    A large proportion of it鈥檚 鈥榗lient鈥 base i.e. children are West or East African. Some others are East European and several are from Asia. A few are of Caribbean origin. The remainder are British Caucasian


    Can anyone explain to me why I and my family are paying tax to support children from all around the world, when the indigenous children need so much help? I know, it's because these kids have got to keep me in my old age isn't it, but then they'll need even more immigrants to keep them when they're old, as one poster said, a giant ponzi scheme. What happens when we run out of land?

  • Comment number 17.

    PERVERSE ALBION (#16)

    At General Election we are, ostensibly, able to act to achieve three things. 1) To install a local MP. 2) To vote out a local MP. 3) To vote in the party of choice.

    In reality, voters only choose between ROSETTES (i.e. parties) and only in the most extreme circumstances does the 'rosette stand' candidate, make any difference to the voting numbers. Only in marginal seats, are MPs likely to be unseated, and then almost always in terms of the rosette carried. Anyone voting for a PARTY, will get whatever MP carries that rosette, even if parachuted in from several counties distant - a true rosette stand. I would not call this REPRESENTATIVE democracy.

    Yet those who seek to become MPs, seem unfazed by the disgraceful picture above. They 'sign up' to a party, carry the rosette, and if successful act, for all the world, as if they are PERSONALLY chosen. What kind of mentality accepts power on those terms, and self-aggrandizes under that ethos? There are 640 of them in Westminster, and I strongly suspect there is a 1:1 link with the foregoing analysis, and a Britain that has fouled its nest, in so many ways, we are all 'in it together' - neck deep.

    That the indigene is now second or third class, and that services are staffed by Manglish speakers, and that our borders are open to any number more immigrants, is surely a direct consequence of a Parliament composed of inept party ciphers?

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 18.

    PARTIES COMPETE IN THEIR HIGH-PROFILE 'ETHNIC EMBRACE'

    A combination of ghettos, guilt(PC) and guile, will surely lead to accelerated entry of non-indigenes into Westminster? We must pray they are a lot more altruistic and honourable than our lot, or there could be a nasty reversal of fortunes down the road. And with climate change, we could soon be growing sugar cane and cotton.

    Pull that barge, lift that bale . . .

  • Comment number 19.





    Response to

    At 8:21pm on 15 Oct 2010, ecolizzy wrote:


    You picked up on the fact that I had - quite intentionally - described the ethnic make up of the clientele. I had tried to offer indirectly that the problem was also the solution and in asking your question you clarify the intent even further.


    Sadly I cannot offer any justifiable or coherent reason as to why the situation - of out of control immigration - has occurred and continues to occur almost unchecked and without any due (publicly released) consideration to the medium and long term effects. Although in all seriousness I cannot ever believe that the mandarins - serving any party - have not considered, analysed and reconsidered the options. Perhaps the Doomsday scenario is just too unpalatable? More likely the borg in the w-illage cannot face the electoral price! (Ever wondered why the mega-riche buy up islands?)

    Tabblenabble et al have offered many, many opinions as to why this country is going stroke has gone the way it has but realistic and practical answers are so few and far between as to be almost invisible. ( The 鈥榞unman on the grassy knoll鈥 side of me query鈥檚 鈥榙eliberately suppressed鈥 ? But Hey, that鈥檚 me! )

    Sadly the contrasting aims of all the warring factions i.e. religions, cultures, ideologies, politicos, intellectuals et al have effectively brought us to this situation with their own individual perception of what is for the 鈥榞reater good鈥 ( Take the latest incarnation 鈥榯he big society鈥 - ordained in the 鈥淣ational interest鈥 - It is never going to be in the best interest of the 鈥榚ntirety鈥 merely a tool of intended pacification and control. (More likely 鈥榗ontrol鈥 and 鈥榩acification鈥 IMVHO!)


    By way of almost unbelievable irony there was a trashily made and presented - i.e. a very poor journalistic approach, beyond amateurish - documentary at 19.30 tonight on C4 about Manila in the Philippines.

    Anyone that could even remotely consider that they might have had a ancestor emanating from Samaria should watch, try to suppress rage and panic and start thinking of possible solutions! I kid you not!

    We are force fed the belief, and willingly delude ourselves, that we are a 鈥楳ilan鈥 but we are fast becoming a 鈥楳anila鈥!


    鈥淟et them eat animal feed disguised as economy burgers disguised as cake disguised as 鈥榦rganic produce鈥!鈥欌 ... seems to be the mantra for the last thirty years.



    And just so that there is no misunderstanding ....

    I am not advocating any form of 鈥榣eft wing鈥, 鈥榬ight wing鈥 or up your jumper coup ...

    I just want a lot more honesty in facing up to the future ...

    As I am absolutely, completely and totally ashamed of what we are leaving to future generations.....

    Period.




  • Comment number 20.

    #19. JAperson wrote:

    "I am not advocating any form of 鈥榣eft wing鈥, 鈥榬ight wing鈥 or up your jumper coup ..."

    Let me start by apologising...

    I am just a bit curious what is a jumper coup. I know what a jumper is - particularly as it is getting cooler now - I even own a few. And I know what a coup is. I also know what a junta is (with particular reference to Chile - the man who hid on a gold course in Surrey(?) with the help of one M. Thatcher).

    I have a visions of a coup by jumpers. Being drowned in Argyle sweaters not on the golf course - how unpleasant (but far less unpleasant compared to being disappeared from a high flying aircraft without a parachute).

    But how exactly do jumpers organise a coup???

    Sorry....

  • Comment number 21.

    WE ARE GOVERNED SOLELY IN THE INTEREST OF THE GOVERNING ELITE (#19)

    I can't see it any other way. My post #17 (and various over the years) tries to point to the mechanism by which we get the wrong people. When scrutinised, Westminster is found wasteful, dishonest, contemptuous, arrogant and inept (add your own). Well - with the wrong people in management, that is how it has to be! Once that is accepted, all the barmy actions like: following Dubya, capitulating to the EU, getting into bed with imaginary money-dealers, succouring the lunatic end of alien religion, etc etc, makes simple sense.

    It is the height of irony that our government flaps about bad parenting, at the family level, when they, being 'in loco parentis' to the nation, leave us in our soiled nappies, and push off to play Globopoly with their equally feckless chums abroad.

    The majority mind has been rotted by Blair-style schooling, media manipulation, and passive pleasure; awareness and volition have atrophied. In other words 'the people' are as unsuited to rebellion as the politicians are to governance. A fine mess we have gotten ourselves into. Almost pointless to write

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 22.

    AH DIDN'T SEE THAT - AH ONLY HEARD! (#20)

    But I have it on good authority that shirts do organise tea parties.

  • Comment number 23.

    #19 Ah yes JA I watched that awful programme about Manila, and it's burgeoning population, increased by a third in 10 years, that's around 7 million people, the supposed amount living in London now.

    If people have 10, 12 or 15 children this is exactly where you end up, no money, no land to live on, no food, or clean water. And all because the government does not make contraception freely available, in fact bans it, but it makes for a huge pool of very cheap labour, to make loads of money for that same government.

    Is that what's happening to us, all around me I see hundreds of small children and pregnant women, the young school population has exploded, and still the government say or do nothing about mass immigration. Following the Philipine government I suppose, lots of cheap labour!

  • Comment number 24.

    16. At 8:21pm on 15 Oct 2010, ecolizzy wrote:

    "Can anyone explain to me why I and my family are paying tax to support children from all around the world, when the indigenous children need so much help?"

    It's so when they get rid of your welfare state/public sector you won't care enough to protest! "Good riddance" they expect you to cry!

    Even Nigel Lawson said last night that "Blair was probably a Tory". It's called entyrism ecolizzy. They infiltrate the opposition, make a vile mess, and the dopey public will turn against them! Job done.

  • Comment number 25.

    #10

    Assuming that tab = LC2, you've given me an idea to rhythm and rhyme with the following result:

    Ecolizzy and tab perform a double act.
    I wonder where they are now at
    And what its purpose is.
    Is it to do with biz?
    Or something much more sinister than that
    And is tab wearing a hat?

    mim

  • Comment number 26.

    THAT ENTRYISM WOULD BE A 'CUNNING PLAN' THEN? (#24)

    Serious question Zeb: presuming your 'they' is Westminster government - how do a bunch of Baldricks manage to devise such a functional cunning plan, when all their other works collapse in expensive heaps?

  • Comment number 27.

    barriesingleton (26)

    Presumably, when the objective is to get an electorate to not want much governance, the plan doesn't have to be all that cunning? They just has to appear to be very good bad governors like Governator Schwarzenegger, presumably (s)elected by Hollywood moguls to blow the state of California away so they'd have more unprotected consumers to prey upon?

  • Comment number 28.

    #26

    Here's another one for you, singie

    Is DeadZeb prowling the web,
    Stirring the mess,
    Being offensive to 鈥榙opey鈥 public
    Devoid completely of common sense?
    Methinks he鈥檚 other name is table
    Who lives in a creepy, sphincteric fable.

    mim

  • Comment number 29.

    One of the best lines I've heard on Newsnight in recent times is the one from a pensioner broadcast on Thursday night:

    "You are watching Big Society on 大象传媒 Newsnight... I fought in the war for this rubbish!"

    Give the man a medal (come to think of it, give the Newsnight Production Team one too!)

    Mind you, Chile is a major success in South America too. It has a 'Big Society' does it not? It certainly doesn't have a nasty, 'uncaring', 'evil', 'socialist' society like China does, the sort that 'manipulates' currency to make people everywhere else suffer. Mind you most of us thought little about the context of the Chilean mining accident, we were too enthralled by the 24/7 PR caring coverage. Here's what Wikipedia
    said:

    "The mine is owned by Compa帽铆a Minera San Esteban (San Esteban Mining Company), which has a poor safety record and has suffered a series of mishaps, with several workers being killed in recent years. Between 2004 and 2010, the company received 42 fines for breaching safety regulations. The mine was shut down in 2007 when relatives of a miner who had died in an accident sued company executives, but was reopened in 2008 despite failing to comply with all regulations. The matter is still under investigation according to mining committee Senator Baldo Prokurica. Due to budget constraints, there were only three inspectors for the Atacama Region's 884 mines".

    That wasn't quite how it was covered though, was it?

  • Comment number 30.

    Ecolizzy

    I've just been looking for the post you wrote about a year ago or so in which you mentioned, from what I remember, plastic bottles being placed up some passages, or something like that but unfortunately I couldn't find it. Do you remember that?

  • Comment number 31.

    HEALTH AND SAFETY (#29)

    San Esteban MC should 'twin' with BP.

  • Comment number 32.

    Mr Clarkes plans are already in action, do what you like you won't get punished....



    I hope they have to work in McDs for the rest of their lives. What horrible people, young professionals, what at kicking and fighting?! It's about time drink was quadrupled in price!

  • Comment number 33.

    #30 Do you mean this mim?





    Other than that I've no idea, sorry. I can only think of sea passages, not back allys! ; )

  • Comment number 34.

    #29 That's interesting DeadZed. But I get the feeling that last miner up, the strong one, and union one, is going to have a lot to say about safety in mines. And now thanks to the presidents razzamataz (promoting himself) the whole world will be looking on, and I think that miner will take full advantage of it all.

  • Comment number 35.

    WESTMINSTER IS SURE TO CLOSE THE SUBSIDISED BARS NOW? (#32 link1)

    Twice on TV, I have seen programs that show the effect on DRIVING, of alcoholic intake. We need to see a STANFORD PRISON EXPERIMENT but with added alcohol. All on prime time of course.

    Once again I am driven back to my main theme: ALCOHOL IS THE WARP OF THE BRITISH CULTURAL WEAVE. You know it, I know it, THEY know it. Yet the only time we have ever seen Westminster tackle a problem head-on, is now (the spending cuts) and that is because IT IS EASY. Britain is a USER NATION. When we are not celebrating with military pageantry - waving weapons - we are doping ourselves with industrial solvent - waving bottles. When we clobbered the American indigene, we took disease, arms and alcohol. When we invade Muslim countries, they have already got our arms (free trade) they get disease from depleted Uranium and other legitimate weapons, AND NOW JUST WATCH US DESTROY THEM WITH ALCOHOL when the war is 'won'.

    Decisive Dave could step in and say: 'CLOSE ALL BARS', like 'RESCUE THE WOMAN' or 'SEVEN PERCENT'. He remains oddly silent over alcohol. I wonder if stamping on the head sharpens the mind . . .

    Kipling should be here to chronicle that by jingo!

  • Comment number 36.

    #:33

    Thank you for your reply, Ecolizzy. I seem to remember something else but never mind, I'll see whether I can find it i'n my 'In Search Of Truth' file once I get back home.

    mim
    From the doorstep of the French Institute i'n South Kensington, after having borrowed a few CDs of Jazz.

  • Comment number 37.

    #34

    He may try to take advantage of the situation with the world watching but is the world going to love and appreciate him, Ecolizzy?

  • Comment number 38.

    #33 again

    And I shall check up on what kind of career criminals K Clarke has saved or hoping to save.

  • Comment number 39.

  • Comment number 40.

    #32

    It is bad that so many young professionals 'choose' to reoffend so frequently and hopefully a right kind of deterent is going to be worked out by the government soon. However, I wouldn't go as far as generalise about and stigmatise all young professionals as I'm sure there are lots of them who abide the law and behave normally like responsible citizens.

    mim

  • Comment number 41.

  • Comment number 42.

    I bet the 大象传媒 wont cover this !

  • Comment number 43.

    OPPORTUNISTIC POST (#39 link)

    As a person of scientific bent and training, I found these words of Prof Lewis (regarding climate pseudo-science) MOST TELLING:

    鈥淚 don鈥檛 believe that any real physicist, nay scientists, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientists.鈥

    The key word is revulsion. And it applies, for me, to our politicians.
    I don't believe any person of simple, natural decency, can encounter Westminster politics without revulsion.

    As the linked article deplores: Climate claptrap endures, supported by St Obama et Al. Likewise, the Westminster illusion of representative democracy is unassailable, though it failures (both human and functional) are everywhere, writ large.

    We have all got too used to the smell now, and fail to respond.

    Weep Britain.

  • Comment number 44.

    OH LIZZY! NOW I HAVE TO STAY UP WHILE THE FRIGHT WEARS OFF (#41 link)

    All equal under (Clegg) the law, but some more equal than others.

    Depressingly predictable.

  • Comment number 45.

    This article has just a few comments!



    #44 All part of the Westminster ethos 'eh Barrie! ; )

  • Comment number 46.

    A lot of hot air, or does he speak the truth



    I for one agree with him that the forcast has been dumbed down, and why no mention of the jet stream? It would go a long way to explaining unusual spells of very hot or wet weather.

  • Comment number 47.

    BINGO! GABRIEL WAS BUSY, BUT MERKEL'S MESSAGE IS CLEAR ENOUGH.

    The multicultural experiment has failed says Angela Merkel. It took a woman, and a German one at that, to spell out what we all knew. What will Ditherer Dave do now?

    Now we can go from bad to worse. Let's go back to being Britain, and dig ourselves out of the mess with politics based on integrity, humility, honour, altruism, virtue and dignity. That rules out Westminster.

    Oh! It just might be about to go marginally better!

  • Comment number 48.

    YOU CAN SEE WHY MOHAMMED WAS NO FAN OF THE EYE-SLIT VEIL (#45 link)

    Hi Lizzy.

    Those dark eyes, doing 'you can't see me, let alone touch me, BUT I CAN SEE YOU', through a narrow slit, will turn any man on. ADD SKILFUL MAKEUP and the allure is intense. Poor innocent girl - it's the LAST thing she wants. Trust a man to promote this erotic garb. Disgraceful.

  • Comment number 49.

    THAT'S ODD (#48 +)

    It is a WOMAN promoting the face cover (with erotic slit). Hussy. (:o)

  • Comment number 50.

    #43

    you, and decency, singie, you must be joking

  • Comment number 51.

    Think twice or thrice
    before degrading the stars:

    /news/entertainment-arts-11550814

    mim ****

  • Comment number 52.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 53.

    I'm kind of pleased that Silvio is not the Prime Minister of the UK though this country does seem to 'house' his followers if not worshippers:



    mim

  • Comment number 54.

    THE 大象传媒 REPORTS FAILURE TO BRIBE THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET COUNCIL.

    This puts us at risk of being passed over. But surely, in the past decade, our powers of international persuasion have been amply demonstrated? Have we no other shot in our locker?

  • Comment number 55.

    #54

    You can 'shoot' to your heart's consent but where is it likely to take you, singie & co-op? I could spell out a few places on the 'ladder' for you but will leave it up to you to picture them, if you have any realistically driven imagination, that is.

  • Comment number 56.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 57.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 58.

    German Chancellor utters the once un-utterable.

  • Comment number 59.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 60.

    #58

    I've been thinking about that, kev, but what if one should read what she says i'n between the lines? I'm quite sure she's perfectly aware of what's been going on i'n terms of the 'game' that this or that 'clown' has been 'playing'.

  • Comment number 61.

    #60. Update

    In some aspects the real multiculture is failing still while in others, in my view, it's thriving and getting stronger and stronger.

    mim

  • Comment number 62.

  • Comment number 63.

    #62

    Brush, are you trying to imply a prisoner's 'master' plan?

  • Comment number 64.

    #63. addendum

    Or, in other words, a doggie's 'master' plan?

  • Comment number 65.

    #64 addendum

    I'm sticking to mine!!!!****

  • Comment number 66.

    I csn't demand, but I'm expecting some light shed on the 'game' soon, hopefully tomorrow. Or, if not light, the end of the 'game'. Enough is enough.

  • Comment number 67.

    #57

    I can see, Mistress76uk, that your post, as well as my reply to it, have been removed. I don't think it's very nice to drag things like that from the distant past into the present, especially when they seem to be 'spiced up' with the types of comments as yours was.

    mim

  • Comment number 68.

    The new UK government has announced a new initiative of bringing together defence and security under the same roof, so to speak. As I was watching the following interview with the Home Secretary, Mrs Theresa May, my computer was being 'attacked' /though neutralised by my internet security firm, BullGuard/ by probably static.bbc.co.uk from 'mac.00-11-F5-C4-12-F1'. I've stopped checking the name as it's almost always the same person, or the same group of people.

    /news/uk-politics-11563362

    P.S. Hi Mods

    If you feel some bits of this post should be hidden, please do so. I don't mind as long as the message is seen by the appropriate authorities.

    Have a good day

    mim

  • Comment number 69.

    #68 addendum

    I have now checked another two attacks on my laptop and they are both from 大象传媒 internet addresses. Next time I shall write them down and pass them on to you.

  • Comment number 70.

    Re: Dancing Ann

    She's not scared of the judge (who apparently is a pussy cat behind the scenes), she's been grilled by Paxo (something I've heard about Jeremy from one of the prominent 大象传媒 producers who says 'JP is a pussy cat to work with as he is so good':



    mim

    P.S. I don't know about any of the other bloggers, but I too would like to be grilled by Paxo

  • Comment number 71.

    @ Mim #67 - It's an article by Petronella Wyatt in The Daily Mail!

  • Comment number 72.

    #71

    I know, Mistress76uk, though I haven't had the time to read it as yet. I stick, however, by the points I've made at #67, which refer to you as much to Petronella Wyatt. Having said that, I've just browsed through her entry on Free Wikipedia and she certainly does sound like an interesting lady, singing, writing poetry, working as a journalist and so on though I don't understand why she is anti cycling:



  • Comment number 73.

    @ Mim #73 - She's only against cyclists who fail to have lights on their bike, as her frail mother was knocked down and left to bleed on the road after being hit by a cyclist who didn't even bother to help her.

    Source:

  • Comment number 74.

    #72 update

    It takes all sortswhich does make human life fascinating but I cannot tolerate nasty and manipulative dictators undergo circumstances.

    Monika

  • Comment number 75.

    #73

    Now I understand. An awful story that one. Thanks, Mistress76uk.

  • Comment number 76.

    Re PAXO

    I reckon Richard Bacon could take over from Paxo....he would require a lot of support....someone has to take over!

    Maybe Bacon's too young.

    How about D Miliband?

  • Comment number 77.

    #76

    wishful thinking, mr stinky

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