大象传媒

Mr should be OK as, like Jim Murphy, he's been a fervent, and successful, campaigner for the of the oppressed and victimised.

It's this type of anarchist that President Ahmadinejad despises the most.

Denis MacShane reported to police over expenses claims


Denis MacShane, the former Labour minister, has been reported by the Parliamentary watchdog to the police over his expense claims.

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Here's a question for the sharper ones amongst you...what is the very strange anomoly contained within the Telegraph article above?

@ Tabblenabble #31(Wednesday) - For all the info on Israeli Citizenship, click here:

It is from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

#1

The oppressed and victimised who oppress and victimise?
Isn't it time for their demise so that the world can visualise
Those who did start to oppress and victimise?

"WE ARE A PARTY POOPER"

Apparently Doting Dave sees Margaret Thatcher was a laudable British Prime Minister.

She certainly saw tobacco as an acceptable source of personal income, and arms, it appears, as just right for her son; while being a regular user of the drug alcohol. She bizarrely espoused the archaic 'royal plural' late in her reign.

Well Dave - you and I certainly go for a different kind of woman. And I can definitely say: WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

"3. At 3:44pm on 14 Oct 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:

For all the info on Israeli Citizenship, click here:
It is from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs."

Clearly, your reply does not answer the question(s), which is of course, your right.

4. At 4:23pm on 14 Oct 2010, brossen99

That should reduce the crime report/detection rate.

There will be just as much (if not more crime), it will just be that fewer people will know about it and be deterred from committing it.

That's the way to do it - more anarchism's good for business. Well done the Con-Dems ;-)

"President Ahmadinejad has been addressing thousands of Hezbollah supporters at a rally in southern Lebanon near the border with Israel - on a visit which both the US and Israel have said is intentionally provocative."

id say invading lebanon is provocative,id say threatening war or pre emptive strikes is provocative - ahemdinejads visit is merely politics.

"Our Diplomatic editor Mark Urban has been investigating how close the Iranians are to achieving nuclear capability, and tonight he sets out in fascinating detail how Israel might try to pre-empt a nuclear attack."

itll be a short report then. no evidence of iran pursuing a military nuclear weapon, nor any evidence of any nuclear material being diverted according to the iaea.

iran is in the npt and is under constant observation at its nuclear facilities.

but i cant wait for marks landmark exposing of irans nuclear threat as compared to israels and the usa.

as for the fascinating detail .. warhawks war mongering as usual. thats the problem with neo cons they dont need facts or truth just a compliant media.

i suppose as usual the elephant in the room - israels nukes and its alleged war crimes (according to various UN reports) and non compliance to international law and united nations resolutions will be overlooked.

and now its ahmedinejads turn after the debacle of newnight investigative journos reporting on that terror threat given by the usa government .. in its on going war against paksitan

"The US state department today defended the decision to issue a terror alert covering all of Europe but admitted that it had no specific information of any plot or potential target."

"Our Diplomatic editor Mark Urban has been investigating how close the Iranians are to achieving nuclear capability, and tonight he sets out in fascinating detail how Israel might try to pre-empt a nuclear attack."

Nuclear capability to do what though? (3-4%) or enrich uranium to (90%)? There's a BIG difference. One is legal and one hopes that Israel doesn't think it's justified in attacking Iran for doing something which is legal? It sometimes looks like the media counts on much of the public being so feminized that they it can't tell the difference?

Did Francis Maude use the words 'increasing accountability'? The why on earth has he spared the COMPLETELY UNACCOUNTABLE British Council. It is
so unaccountable IT IS OUT OF CONTROL!!! So why no action? Could it be
that it suits Whitehall to retain a body that appears in the index of
'MI6: The History of The Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949' (Crown copyright 2010) as 'British Council, potential for cover 603' [see also
index entries for British Council founder Sir Rex Leeper]. And why is it
a charity? Charities are supposed to be at arms-length from Whitehall. The British Council is however joined at the hip with Government??? It
screws up almost everything it touches, is a diplomatic liability (eg in
Russia), and in any case education and cultural promotion are supposed
to be devolved to Scotland, English regions, Northern Ireland and Wales!

This is a complete nonsense. This body should be axed forthwith before it does any more damage .. Too bad if that upsets the spooks or indeed
the senior Tory Cabinet Minister whose parliamentary office costs were
subsidised before the election by subventions from his firm Hotcourses
which has intimate links with British Council. That man is Jeremy Hunt.

For the skinny on The British Council this is a very good place to begin!

Here's another well-informed independent view about the Quango review and
the British Council anomaly:

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Newsnight...

Haven't watched in a while.

Rely on R4 Today.

Have these tele journos/scribblers no shame or skills.

Its very bleached out comment from hapless activists for a failed party with no shame.

Get a grip.

You couldn't do Dame Joan justice.

Can you do coalition justice?

Too many journos in the Beeb now.

No wonder its output is so derisory.

25 scribblers for the Attacama story....

BIG SOCIETY ETHOS IS INIMICAL TO STUFFED SHIRT POWER

I rather suspect that pragmatism divides the two groups. Those of us who probably embody the Big Society ethos, by default, tend to arrive at practical, least-costly answers to local problems or needs. Government is more or less the opposite pole.

Stuffed shirts fear the pragmatist; they get shown up, and feel a bit silly. Dave Snooty, of course, and his chums, are of the stuffed shirt variety. Unless we change the selection process for government, at all levels, this divide will endure.

Those who are better at the job that their boss, do not get promoted, they get eased out. It's the British way. Change will take a rise in maturity, yielding altruism and personal sacrifice. Currently, maturity is declining. Gunga Din must be allowed to function as the 'better man'.

Nick won't fix it. Nick said: "Gunga who?"

The.pragmatists of idiotic variety are so daft they'll get stuffed
With their own rantings and jeans
Turning to dust their pathetic, cruel and nasty crap dreams.

FAO: 'static' attackers

/news/technology-11545040

think twice or thrice before you attack

An RAF recognition and challenge:

'Museum Honours Polish Airmen Who Fought In The Battle Of Britain
Today the Royal Air Force Museum honours those members of the Polish Air Force who fought as part of the RAF in the Battle of Britain with the launch of its latest podcast 鈥� 鈥淩epeat Please!鈥�: Poles in the Battle of Britain鈥�.

This date has been specifically selected to commemorate 70th anniversary of the withdrawal of 303 (Polish) Squadron from the front line after a successful tour of duty which recorded the destruction of 126 enemy aircraft in 42 days. This made 鈥�303鈥�, the most successful of all the RAF Squadrons that defended Great Britain and its peoples during the Battle of Britain.

Additionally, the Museum has also launched today its latest online exhibition For Your Freedom and Ours: The Polish Air Force in the Second World War which examines the contribution that Polish Pilots made to the defence of the United Kingdom throughout World War 2.'

jauntycyclist

Technically it is an offence, and the matter was raised in .

"It is illegal under the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 (c.90) for a British Citizen to serve in the armed forces of another country because:

鈥淚f any person, without the license of Her Majesty, being a British subject, within or without Her Majesty鈥檚 dominions, accepts or agrees to accept any commission or engagement in the military or naval service of any foreign state at war with any foreign state at peace with Her Majesty, and in this Act referred to as a friendly state, or whether a British subject or not within Her Majesty鈥檚 dominions, induces any other person to accept or agree to accept any commission or engagement in the military or naval service of any such foreign state as aforesaid,鈥� He shall be guilty of an offence against this Act, and shall be punishable by fine and imprisonment, or either of such punishments, at the discretion of the court before which the offender is convicted; . . .鈥�

(Annotations: Amendments (Textual) Words omitted by virtue of (E.W.) Criminal Justice Act 1948 (c. 58), s. 1(2) and (S.) Criminal Procedure (Scotland ) Act 1975 (c. 21), s. 221(2))"

Whilst I personally have no axe to grind, I expect fairness from the 大象传媒 and remind the 大象传媒 that a much larger proportion of the UK population is Muslim than Jewish, that those Commonwealth countries have done far more for this country in the past than Israel ever did..Yet, night after night we're fed reporting from Newsnight which clearly favours Israel with respect to Iran..

I'd be interested to know why my earlier post covering 3% vs 90% uranium enrichment was delayed, and why interviewees were presented in support of Mark Urban's piece who had a clear brief in support of Israel's aggressive stance towards Iran. I'd also like to point out to Mark Urban that as Iran's nuclear facilities are on Iranian soil, it has every right to militarily defend those facilities under international law.

Does the 大象传媒 not realise how provocative it is being with a programme like tonight's as well as the significance of the fact that behind Iran, there are both the PRC and Russia?

14. At 10:26pm on 14 Oct 2010, Neil Robertson wrote:

"And why is it a charity? Charities are supposed to be at arms-length from Whitehall."

As you probably know, it's because our government can assert to other governments that they are not responsible for the behaviour of these 'Third Sector' bodies (NGOs and charities). This plays on the neutrality status of organisations like the Red Cross in the past. Statist nations on the other hand have no such excuse.

It really is a disgrace. It's why we, and the USA, have lost so much respect throughout the world, and we're now suffering for that blatant hypocrisy in all sorts of ways..

"HOW DO I, DEPUTY CLEGG, UNDERSTAND FAIRNESS - GOING FORWARD?"

"Our general policy of fairness, is to distribute unfairness fairly."

"I understand fairness for poor kids, as drafting them into pre-school, at age 2, to live out their dreams.

"Why do I, a typical Westminster politician, continually employ the rhetorical question, followed by the rhetorical answer? Sobvious. The ones you media folk ask, if answered, would ruin my career. End of."

#24 So tab how long do you think we have left as this world?

Iran lobs a nuclear bomb at Isael, they lob one back, this goes on for a short while, then Israel starts lobing them at any muslim country. Then the USA start lobing them around as well, then Russia and China get involved.

Say five years and none of us will be here anymore, all dead from nuclear fallout.

So really we have another cold war on our hands, why do these people all wish to committ suicide?

I've thought for years the middle east will be the end of us all

CANCER STRAIN (#27)

Hi Lizzy. It seems probable we are still, essentially, the hunter/gatherer of 10,000 years ago, when beliefs and challenges were simple. But climate change (!) allowed us to 'advance' into agriculture and technology while shedding all taboos. To all intents and purposes, we went cancerous.

I see two fundamental HomSap traits: inquisitiveness, and immaturity; both are inherent. Left to ourselves, it is a moot point whether environmental change (of any genesis) clobbers us, or we roger ourselves. One thing seems certain: the number of individuals who address this, declines as fast as world population grows. It follows they make no measurable impact.

However, it exercises the mind to try to see a way out - even locally - but I reckon it is just that: exercise.

Ken Loach in the headlines again!

#27

It seems to me, Ecolizzy, that table would prefer to see the end of the world, and that including his children and grandchildren if he has any, rather than lose the absurd game that he's been playing for years and years.

mim

"27. At 08:43am on 15 Oct 2010, ecolizzy wrote:
#24 So tab how long do you think we have left as this world?

Iran lobs a nuclear bomb at Isael, they lob one back, this goes on for a short while, then Israel starts lobing them at any muslim country. Then the USA start lobing them around as well, then Russia and China get involved."

This is all politics. My point is that Iran doesn't need to do anything.
Any attack by Israel upon Iran could bring a conventional and or nuclear retaliation from Russia and/or China, either of which could economically and/or physically wipe out Israel, and cause further havoc to any of Israel's allies should they be stupid enough to get involved, including us. China already has massive economic clout with respect to the USA, and Russia is literally on Iran's doorstep. Iran and the USA/Israel know this. Iran also wants to become a member of the SCO (as does Pakistan).
All this bellicose behaviour will facilitate that.

I keep remembering Mel Gibson's drunken outburst. in vino veritas? We've been lured into this nonsense in the past (Poland 1939, Iraq more recently) and I fear it's all happening again, with us (and most US citizens) naive foot-soldiers once again.

To be clear, Iran doesn't need a nuclear bomb, as it has very powerful friends on the UNSC who have plenty. Reports from the IAEA which monitors them is that it's enriching uranium to reactor grade (3%) not weapons grade (90%), which Iran says is legally entitled to do under the NPT. What are relevant here are UN Security Council Resolutions and Note, because the resolution is under Article 41 of Chapter 7 of the United Nations Charter, it cannot be enforced through the use of military means Note how effectively tries to change the conditions of the NPT after the fact?

One has to ask why the IAEA is not inspecting Israel, Pakistan or India - that's because they unlike Iran have not signed the NPT! This is why this is victimization of Iran is considered diplomatically unfair/unjust. The NPT is voluntary!

Why would other countries sign up to it after all this?

Even the IAEA the Israeli/EU/USA press

24

as you say technically. But for some reason it doesn't apply to the idf. Despite hundreds of uk citizens going for idf training and fighting and being wounded how many have been prosecuted?

..British Member of House of Lords, Lord Ahmed asked a question in the upper house of the parliament on 26th January 2009,Whether any British citizens are serving in the Israeli Defence Force or the Israeli Defence Reserves?

In response to that Lord Malloch Brown, Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office responded, other than press reports, the UK Government do not possess information about whom the Israeli Government have called up to serve in the Israel Defence Forces or the Israeli Defence Reserves, including any dual nationals. Only the Israeli Government would have this information.....

In a later interview when asked about the reaction he got to his question ....Lord Ahmed: Well the reaction was very obvious. One of their lordships got up and started to praise the British citizens who were fighting in Gaza. He said: shouldn't we be proud of the fact they are fighting against terrorists who are hell bent on trying to destroy Israel....

There is also misinformation. an israeli military board moderator tell uk citizens thinking about joining the idf

...The UK as a whole recognizes dual citizenship. So you end up with two passports. There is no law on the books that would call for arresting someone from the UK for serving in the IDF. There are also numerous groups in the UK who can guide you about this...

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which is wrong. there is law. So they are inciting uk citizens to break uk law. what he probably means its no problem.

there is a dedicated site for idf volunteers.



Anyone who places another State higher than their own without giving up citzenship is, in natural law, a traitor to that State. No one can serve two masters.

A TRIUMPH OF RIGOR MORTIS OVER RIGOUR (#33)

It seems to me that the only facility now functioning with precision, is mail-order. No idea where that leads . . .

24

[previous post referred. no idea why. i'll leave the links out].

yes in theory. Lord Ahmed raised the point in parliament and the Govt [Malloch Brown] said it didn't keep records. Only Israel would know that...
Apparently it is beyond the wit of HMG to ask the Israeli Govt for a list and to then keep the uk updated of any other uk citizens joining up and then prosecute? why don't they keep records?

On Israel Military net on a thread called 'Thinking of Joining IDF - Questions' one hopeful is told 'There is no law on the books that would call for arresting someone from the UK for serving in the IDF.There are also numerous groups in the UK who can guide you about this.'

Why would they say that? What are these uk based groups? Are they inciting British Citizens to breaking uk law? They also go on to link to a site specifically designed to help people join up.

I did point out more stuff but it seem its a taboo topic to ask questions about if a foreign state is openly encouraging uk citizens to break its law? which, if that is the case, would be unfriendly?

33

the mad thing is the billions of carbon tax on all our energy and food bills is mainly going to china [in climate justice!] that is building a new coal power station a week.

although climate babble has been dismantled its money raising bandwagon upon the public has not. In fact its increased and is set to increase further.

#31 tn01

I read/heard somewhere recently (approx 3/4 months ago) that Iran was pushing the boundaries in Uranium enrichment (can't remember where though, may have been on NN).
The 90% requirement for weapons grade Uranium enrichment slightly underestimates the issue.
I my memory serves, the report stated that Iran had recently reached the important/significant milestone of 25% enrichment. The tipping point, I believe, is somewhere around the 40% mark...afterwhich it's very easy, in production terms, to get to the 90% threshold.

The 大象传媒 likes to focus on the threats that Iran have made to Israel as a subsequent casus belli. What the 大象传媒 ignores is the constant sabre rattling of Israel. Only in the past few days has a member of the Israel parliament, Aryeh Eldad said

"The state of Israel, is today in a position to assassinate, in southern Lebanon, the man who delegitimises our very existence and threatens to annihilate us. To assassinate Ahmadinejad today is like assassinating Hitler in 1939"

When Prime Minister Netanyahu was asked whether his government has considered assassinating Ahmadinejad in Lebanon, he would only say "We consider with reason what needs to be done to protect the state."

You'll not hear Urban reporting on this.

CARBON TRUST

Now that AGW is a major plank of the global lie in which we all live, no government is going to debunk it. Just as B Liar let all the '45 min' headlines go, without challenge, when it suited New Labour.

Recently heard Ninny Nick trumpeting that we (civilised, democratic) folk are all equal under the law. Odd, then, that you rarely see the rich emerging after a few years wrongful conviction - let alone rightful.

Is it possible that money is power? Nick'll know.

#32

Do you consider yourself a 'master', yellowy? If so, whose?

#40 addendum

You probably do, so here's another question for you - do you think you're being well served?

#42

It leads to happiness with no master but a friend with friends, singie

Ken Loach likes dysfunctional poor people, but not dysfunctional rich people. he's made his fame and fortune out of this interest. He is of course an ideological Trotskyite, not a statist. He is also somewhat prejudiced about how and why people are the way they are.

For example, he seems to think, like so many Trots, that other people have privilege because they inherit it. But he does not seem to have understood that what people inherit are genes which express as their behaviours. He doesn't seem to have grasped that people have no choice in this matter either. Fairness is largely about coming to recognise this and manage it. I watch his films to see the workings of a deluded man's 'mind'.

Ken says:

"I would like to ask those colleagues who have knelt before the Queen at some point in their lives: really, what are you doing?

"You don't want to be in there with the fraudsters, the tricksters and the knaves.

"And the woman you are kneeling before represents most of what is wrong with this country - inherited privilege and inherited wealth. Let's have a bit more dignity than crawling before that woman, please."

Mistress76uk - If you are going to learn one thing here, learn that Trots are self-serving anarchists, and that their fundamental error is to ignore or worse, abuse the complex fact that people are largely as they are not by choice, but by genetics.

35. At 11:11am on 15 Oct 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

"I did point out more stuff but it seem its a taboo topic to ask questions about if a foreign state is openly encouraging uk citizens to break its law? which, if that is the case, would be unfriendly?"

It's certainly a difficult topic. As I keep saying, all I'm really interested in is fairness and I've strongly urged you to look into Rawls and his Political Liberalism on the issue of 'the good' as this practically underlies liberal-democracies' legislation on this matter.

All else is academic. The rule of law is all that matters on these matters. I think you have done us a service by raising t his issue once again, and I hope you will take my advice regarding looking into Rawls (and Dreben's influence). Pursuit of truth using logic is what matters, and that requires fairness and attention to difficult details. I fear we are being manipulated by friends of Israel, and I'm not at all sure that that is in our collective interest. Having said that, Israel is our ally but being someone's friend means not letting them do things which are not in their greater interest. Israel is an infantile/adolescent state.

37. At 11:29am on 15 Oct 2010, DebtJuggler wrote:

"the report stated that Iran had recently reached the important/significant milestone of 25% enrichment. The tipping point, I believe, is somewhere around the 40% mark...afterwhich it's very easy, in production terms, to get to the 90% threshold."

If Iran is in breach of its own commitments, it would be far better for China and Russia to take them to task for this rather than Israel, the USA etc, don't you think?

I remain open-minded as to whether this is all just clever, collusive international politics, i.e whether Iran and Israel are in fact sending a joint message to other, much more dangerous want-to-be nuclear proliferators.

why would iran nuke palestine and make it unliveable?
so the logic is an iran bomb is as a deterrence against attacks?

To keep it simple the spontaneous Smith smudges out the word hayek?
Maybe Head of State should be a volunteer role on a rota thus saving multi millions? Maybe all funded State jobs [incl 大象传媒] should be and save billions?

Having worked with volunteers I think Toby will find offers of help is not the same as people turning up day after day regardless of weather and circumstances and doing the unpleasant jobs as someone who is paid is expected to.

That is an appalling statue of Mrs Thatcher. Is it meant to be a joke? Or modelled on the picture of dorian grey?

"UK TO REMAIN A MILITARY POWER OF THE FIRST RANK" (Hague)

There you go - a Globopoly player in full fatuous flood. No doubt all our mercenary adventurers will continue to be heroes in the making. To qualify, of course, one has to die. However, dying deliberately doesn't count - that is Johnnie foreigner stuff. They have no idea of heroism - the bounders actually BELIEVE in dying for their cause.

Is there something about the logic of warfare that needs another (enlightened) look? And the logic of Willie Hague might benefit from a penetrating question or two, also.

What is the view of the Big Society on this? Or are we never asked.

Oh - it's all going awfully well, by jingo!

44.

As you know for me justice as 'fairness' is bonkers . Fairness demands human sacrifice. One gets the sense Rawls, if he was immortal, would be changing his theory every 10 years. His work seeded with phrases like the 'worst-off' and 'inequality' has the whiff of crypto communism.

I would encourage people to look Good up in the dictionary/thesaurus and write out all the words they find. Then those things that have more of those words are closer to the Good. So all things can be ranked. It is then rational to choose that which has the most good unless that choice is limited by necessity. It does not mean Good is the easiest.

This sort of philosophy is done by people naturally which is why, for example, migrants come to the uk. They probably had no training in philosophy [none necessasry] to understand where the Good is but somehow they managed to rank the countries in their own mind and choose that which in their view had the most good.

Thus the good is the highest and simplest and easily comprehendable philosophy that can become as complex as one has a personal taste for.

there can never be any major confusion over what the good is because anyone can go to the dictionary/thesaurus and examine any topic in the light of those words listed under good and then find out which has more and which less and if they are guided by reason choose the better. But passions [that take something else as the highest idea eg. family, tribe] crowd out reason which is why we can make choices knowing they are not good. So the task for the philospher is to purify themselves from false beliefs or the idols of the mind that seek to usurp the good from its rightful place.

A VERY GOOD PLACE TO START! (#48)

So often we define the place, of which the fabled Irishman said: "I wouldn't start from here!"

Bravo jaunty. Do you think Nick n Dave know?

Nuclear program of Iran

#49

What, of philosophy, singie? I should imagine they've heard of it.