Wednesday 17 November 2010
Coming up on tonight's programme:
There have been unconfirmed reports that the UK is considering going it alone, offering billions of pounds of direct loans to the Irish Republic to ease its economic crisis.
Chancellor George said the UK was "ready to support Ireland", as he arrived for an Ecofin meeting in Brussels, adding: "We're going to do what is in Britain's national interest."
Tonight, Paul Mason reports on the likelihood of a UK-Ireland bi-lateral deal, whether it would serve Britain's interests, and on what would be the political fallout of the coalition government using British tax-payers' money to reduce Ireland's economic woes.
The man who chaired the European finance ministers' meeting, Belgian politician Didier Reynders, has played down talk of a potential EU bailout for Ireland, saying the ministers did not discuss the issue in detail as the Irish have not asked for help.
But he did nonetheless say that the EU was "ready to act" if needed.
Tonight we will also be looking at the wider crisis in the Eurozone, and whether it spells disaster for the European project with commentators from Britain, Germany and Ireland.
We have the last in our series of films on Vladimir Putin's Russia. In this report correspondent Rupert Wingfield Hayes, who spent four years reporting in Russia, asks whether Russians are really looking to be led by a "Good Tsar".
Trollope biographer Victoria Glendinning has complained of a lack of appetite among publishers for serious biography nowadays, and the judges of the Costa biography book prize have said they could not find enough biographies of merit to fill their shortlist.
Tonight our reporter Stephen Smith asks if we're seeing the death of the serious biography - a subject we will also discuss in the studio with two biographers.
Comment number 1.
At 17th Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:...a wholesale price movement can be found to support pretty much any retail energy price change - whether up, down, big or small
energy suppliers are over-simplifying the matter when they say their prices went up as wholesale prices have gone up by 25%.
n fact the gas and electricity flowing into households and businesses across the country today will have been bought by the energy suppliers anytime between now, and as far back as five years ago.
This makes the 25% figure even more disingenuous.
From the suppliers' perspective, when they set residential energy tariffs, they have one thing in mind - profit maximisation......
/news/business-11767544
everyone on the inside knows the uk public are being ripped off big time. Who are the vested interests preventing anything being done about it?
this is a massive multi billion pound scandal. a wealth transfer from poor to rich. the government even subsidises such profiteering through 'winter fuel allowance' etc. They should bring the price down and increase storage so they energy companies and speculators holding gas out at sea on ships till the prices go up can't profiteer from the people.
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Comment number 2.
At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:QUESTIONS TO THE PRIME MINISTER (A Grid Day for Sad News.)
Mr Speaker: "What fraction of Dave's TOTAL income, goes to pay any energy bills (that actually paid out of that income)?
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Comment number 3.
At 17th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:#37
Have you cooked yet, singie,
Or have you turned to tea, coffee, gravy
And are you full of envy
That no one's really waving
To you with admiration
And warm animation?
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At 17th Nov 2010, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 4)
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At 17th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:Putin has good moments
But he's refusing to sort out Katyn
As well as having problems
With his country and many a citizen.
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At 17th Nov 2010, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 6)
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At 17th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:6
Your 66 house reminds me badly of the smelly SSEES, of aqua and gas and most awful crass
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Comment number 9.
At 17th Nov 2010, kashibeyaz wrote:Shock Horror!! Munchkin Capitalists Concentrate on Profit Maximisation!!
When Thatcher sold off the family silver, it was the munchkin capitalists who bought it over; the lazy ones; the greedy ones - and their culture still exists, permeating the fabric of British utilities such as electricity, gas and water; look at Cornwall today in the light of a complete lack of infrastructure investment.
These parasites get private business a bad name.
And many of them, ecolizzy, are - foreigners!
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Comment number 10.
At 17th Nov 2010, JunkkMale wrote:I was seduced here to comment by this...
大象传媒Newsnight The Russian women learning to pole dance in a bid to snag rich husbands Watch more at 2230 on 大象传媒 Two.
One can only presume it's a very slooooow news day.
Meanwhile, as one with a little time on his hands, and nothing much of great import to deal with, I am thinking of writing a kiddy book.
As you do. The only alternative was golf.
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Comment number 11.
At 17th Nov 2010, annoula wrote:RE: Martin Bashir's derogatory comment on Princess Di.
- "Diana was not a "great thinker". Well please think again M.Bashir ...
She may not have read history books at Uni. or got a grand degree BUT : She was smart, genuinely loving, showed great courage, human kindness & generosity, often going out of her way to extend a warm hand & an open heart to touch everyone that she could; especially the forgotten ones, the sick & needy, lepers, victims of Landmines and many thousands more, I"m sure. In her acquired wisdom and natural devotion to Goodness, she used her Royalty to influence International media in bringing to light many of the woes of the world.
She was more than just a great thinker. She was a great lady, great mother and great Princess.
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Comment number 12.
At 17th Nov 2010, WhenTheMouseIsAwayTheCatCanPla wrote:Irelands a fine country but made a mistake in acting as a guarator of last resort for all their banks. they should have let them go bust and picked the pieces up aftwerwards (as well should have here)
should we prop up this guarantee made by another country with billions of pounds when at the same time massive cuts are being made here
-No
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Comment number 13.
At 17th Nov 2010, MaggieL wrote:The cost of the Olympics is 拢10billion and counting. A mere 拢6billion to bail out the Irish economy looks like a bit of a bargain.
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Comment number 14.
At 17th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:#11
Diana was all of these things but, from what i understand, a very impolite side even with her elders, something which must have been very difficult to cope with her Mother and Father-in-law.
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Comment number 15.
At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:AH! BUT WOULD YOU BE THINKING ABOUT THE CULTURAL LEGACY NOW? (#13)
We will be truly glad we put the money that way, such heritage deserves our succour.
Then there is Ireland . . .
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At 17th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:#10
You would have been, wouldn't you, junk, seduced by pole dancing.
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Comment number 17.
At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:AS A JUVENILE, 'IN THE WILD', DIANA WAS EASILY TRAPPED
Once caged, she provided the 'heir and spare' of predictable monarchy.
But they had not calculated her fighting spirit.
What do you get if you cage a fighter? A CAGE FIGHTER. Had she lived, she would have 'taken apart' The Firm.
You might think the obvious - I couldn't possibly comment.
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Comment number 18.
At 17th Nov 2010, Strugglingtostaycalm wrote:Dear Father Christmas,
Can I have a Faisal Islam who can correctly pronounce "finance" and its derivatives?
Thank-you.
Yours, forever grateful, and on behalf of the fellow millions who cringe at "fin-ance", especially from an 'economics' editor,
Strugglingtostaycalm
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Comment number 19.
At 17th Nov 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:This is just beyond disgusting!
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Comment number 20.
At 17th Nov 2010, JAperson wrote:A successful British firm, operating in the UK, employs five new staff in its distribution facility, three as delivery drivers. Four of the five employed are from Eastern Europe.
The 鈥榚mployment鈥 process was conducted by the Supervisor whom is from Eastern Europe.
The company is now seeking to employ staff with applicable eastern european language skills as staff senior to the Supervisor - with whom the new employees are required to liaise - are unable to adequately instruct the 鈥榥ewcomers鈥 as most of the 'newbies' do not speak adequate english.
Three thoughts come to mind .....
1. Where were all the British applicants?
2. Should the (more) senior staff learn a foreign language?
And ....
3. Where are all the necessary east european language road signs going to come from?
And .... Oh yes ....
鈥楺鈥 .... 1700 applicants for each notified vacancy. 鈥楿nQ鈥
And .... Oh yes ....
Interesting to hear King Con wax on about the 鈥榖eneficial鈥 aspects of HMG departments and services becoming 鈥榤utual鈥. He even going so far as to 鈥榝ind鈥 10 mil for any 鈥榗ollectives鈥 that want to 鈥榠nvestigate鈥 ( i.e. employ advisors, ) the practicality of indulging in the JLP 鈥榚thos鈥!
The J L Partnership 鈥榳ay鈥 is at the very least admirable and at the very best - as with the 鈥榓ctual JLP - 鈥榥ear perfect鈥 but only if the control is maintained within the organisation.
The following may be one way that the suggested 鈥榩ractice鈥 might possibly work. One has to wonder if the Dim Cons have ever considered this following possible scenario ?
Department under pressure to restructure, see a nice juicy 鈥榳riggly worm鈥 of more cash, and takes the bait. Top Bods cash in their chips ( i.e. redundancy, golden parachute, 鈥榬elocation allowance et al ), all goes well until the next budget when, in the national interest, cutbacks are needed. Junior - i.e. cheapest - staff are the first out the door. Next budgetary 鈥榗uts鈥, more 鈥榳alk鈥 - too much pressure from under-staffing - and more jobs lost. The dangling 鈥榝ish鈥 falters ....... and folds. The 鈥榣ower house鈥 bellows 鈥淓ssential service, blither, blah, blah! In steps the private sector, gutting and filleting begins .... and the department is served up on a plate!
(Sorry, but .... )
It鈥檚 all going to - eventually - sell!
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Comment number 21.
At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:ETHNIC ANECDOTE (#20)
I was helping a friend take a demolished tree to the tip in cold wet weather. I needed the loo and at 73, waiting is not good.
I asked a bloke and he sent me to the office. There I spotted the loo but out of courtesy asked the lurker in the corner for permission. Big mistake. I was puzzled when he put his woolly hat on and set off across the yard. In desperation I asked "Where are we going". He scanned the 'horizon' saying nothing - this was when I realised he spoke no English.
Do you think I can claim? Success would collapse the health and care services at a stroke! I wonder if he could read safety notices. I am pretty sure his phrase book did not stretch to "busting for a pee".
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Comment number 22.
At 17th Nov 2010, brossen99 wrote:I'm not surprised to see Lamont towing the Corporate Nazi line on any potential Irish bailout. It would appear that the stock market parasites are desperately attempting to buy time in the hope that their puppet ConDem politicians can introduce a carbon tax to subsidise a permanent welfare state for the stock market parasites. Of course the foolish British public wont realise what actually going on until well after the event, just like the full implications of the 2008 Climate Change Act have yet to bite. Its a potential civil unrest time bomb and the idiots will protest outside parliament whilst the real corporate criminals at the stock market are allowed to go about their alleged business unhindered.
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Comment number 23.
At 17th Nov 2010, ecolizzy wrote:#20
3. Where are all the necessary east european language road signs going to come from?
No problem JAperson, they just put the post code in the Sat Nav, letters and numbers are usually the same unless you're greek, and hey presto they've found the place.
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Comment number 24.
At 17th Nov 2010, ecolizzy wrote:Climate change?
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At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:WHAT'S THE POLISH FOR 'LOW BRIDGE' OR DEEP FORD? (#23)
Hey presto - that explains a lot! (:o)
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Comment number 26.
At 17th Nov 2010, kevseywevsey wrote:Piggy banks and bacon: POR, ITA, GRE and SPA..and now IRE
Your very naughty Newsnight but I think you've got away with your little piggy skit.
I'm going to keep this short..2 things:
The world economy is gonna collapse and the Warkster looks good.
Thats all you need to know.
and another thing (3)
"Feminism is a poison" so says a Russian woman. You can't disagree with that logic. They have a need for a husband who can provide financial security. Well yeah, whats the alternative?..poverty. Why the big shock in their attempts to catching a man with money...women around the world have been doing that for millenia. They can always stay single, childless.. turn bitter, twisted and then write books about their hatred of men ect..a bit like the way Germaine Greer did for years. And if they are lucky enough, they'll be a regular pundit on some review show.
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Comment number 27.
At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:WHEN PARADIGMS RULED THE EARTH (#24)
I am the sort of scientist who earned a living by ignoring the known and discovering the unknown. It becomes a habit - you don't need letters.
A bunch of 'scientists' purport to have explained why the 3 towers of 9/11 fell. They are wrong. Mainstream cosmological science explains cosmic function, without mention of plasma. They are wrong. The climate zoo is full of science-monkeys shrieking: "The sky is falling". They are wrong.
The new paradigm ALWAYS starts with a very few TRUE scientists, even just one, who find(S) an anomaly AND WILL NOT LET IT GO. If only Richard Feynman were alive today, this Climate Carp would have been logicked out of existence, like Douglas Adams' God, when he proved his own reality.
How I hate being patient.
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Comment number 28.
At 17th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:ALMOST (#26)
Nah Kev. 'Ape' woman seeks security. Only in the modern world does that equate to money. A bloke who was fit and could 'handle himself' was always first choice.
The real damage done by the Woe-Men was to frighten and shame regular women into trying to be 'as good as a man any day'.
THE WOE-MEN OF ENGLAND
Who were the woe-men
The woe-men of England?
Our women turned woe-men
Once women of England.
Grudged were the kids they bore
They鈥檇 rather gone to war
Derelict courage brings no honour to England.
And Muslims to Eastward
And Muslims to Westward
As foemen did curse them
The woe-men of England.
For what joy to kill them
As kills, they鈥檙e unworthy -
The woe-men of England 鈥 real men won鈥檛 address them.
Where are the woe-men
The woe-men of England
In Mid Eastern war zones!
There鈥檚 few left in England.
Stained with a hunter鈥檚 tan
(Looks better on a man)
Boots don鈥檛 become a 鈥榝an鈥 nor flat-chest, blokes鈥 England.
And Muslims to Eastward
And Muslims to Westward
As foemen do curse them
The woe-men of England.
For what joy to kill them?
As kills they鈥檙e unworthy -
The woe-men of England 鈥 real men won鈥檛 address.
Real men 鈥 real men, won鈥檛 address.
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Comment number 29.
At 18th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:#28
You may not be interested in my opinion, singie, but you're just about the last man I would consider real, togehter with mr table/jj/mindyshousemate/gnu and whatever other names your friend has been using.
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Comment number 30.
At 18th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:#29
I forgot to mention 'static' who keeps attacking my laptop from his mac with seemingly the bbc.com.uk or something to this effect. Now, he is DEFINITELY the last man I've ever known personally who I would even begin to consider real.
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Comment number 31.
At 18th Nov 2010, mimpromptu wrote:Big Congratulations to Prince William and Kate Middleton who do look very happy and beautiful.
Monika
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Comment number 32.
At 18th Nov 2010, ecolizzy wrote:The Debate starts here, or does it? Will NN cover it?
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Comment number 33.
At 18th Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:THE GREAT BRITISH TART (#32)
We have proved to be wide open to all comers Lizzy. To my mind, whiteness - of itself - does not (manifestly) confer a unified, rational culture and state. Indeed, we have consummate white wallies driving this mess. But crass, unbridled, urgent mixing of every human variable (short of a miracle) can only bring instability and strife.
In these Woolas Days, it is only too apparent that the political class are high adepts in not registering what they don't wish to. QED
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Comment number 34.
At 18th Nov 2010, indignantindegene wrote:#32 lizzy
鈥 The Debate starts here, or does it? Will NN cover it?
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I will be watching it, but doubt that NN will bother with it, having replaced the item on the payment of compensation to alleged terrorists with populist pap.
Interesting contrast with US, where a previous detainee at Guantanamo faces a 20 year sentence on one count 鈥 all other charges being ignored as there were worries that some evidence may have been gained by 鈥榚nhanced interrogation鈥.
/news/world-us-canada-11782346
鈥淭he failure to convict Ahmed Ghailani on more of the charges will be viewed by some as proof that civilian courts are the wrong place to hold the Guantanamo trials.
Specifically there will be worries that the court threw out some evidence gained during enhanced interrogation at CIA "black sites".
Others will see that as a strength of the justice system.鈥
Those conflicting actions and opinions certainly justify a Newsnight special, but NN does not do 'Radical'
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Comment number 35.
At 18th Nov 2010, ecolizzy wrote:What I don't understand Barrie and Indi, is why the english/scots/welsh/irish must be got rid of, it seems like genocide. Is there something wrong with the whole of our race? I know there is a lot of crap amongst us, but isn't every race like that.
Is India, Africa, South Asia turning into white english/etc people, I don't think so. They are predominantly the indigenous people to those countries. There aren't enough of us to go around to make much difference to their racial mix.
I suppose as ever we are following the USA, they are every race under the sun, an immigrant community, they/we have already wiped out the indigenous peoples, so I suppose we as a race are going to disappear as well.
I suppose for us Brits it's what goes round, comes round, we shouldn't have invaded so many countries! ; )
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Comment number 36.
At 18th Nov 2010, ecolizzy wrote:Hee,hee, all pals together 'eh?! ; )
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Comment number 37.
At 18th Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:iplayer has become very unstable recently. almost impossible for it to play anything without crashing. no doubt its been recently 'improved'?
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Comment number 38.
At 18th Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:Bailing out Banks
is just bailing out millionaires? with interests in the markets? Who fund political parties?
'Feminism is a Poison'
Does Kirsty agree?
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Comment number 39.
At 18th Nov 2010, stevie wrote:why can't the UK just lend the Irish what they need as a private loan arrangement and not having to go cap in hand to the EU beaurocrats but just a loan between two sovereign nations?
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Comment number 40.
At 18th Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:39
its lending to private banks with shareholders not the irish govt.
reports don't tend to separate out the sovereign debt and the debts, loans, and other measures to private banks.
we should have a game of musical chairs with the banks now and say everyone is going to be supported except for one. that way we could start to close these zombies in a controlled way.
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