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Facing Three Dorniers, 13 May 1940

by Billy_Drake

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Billy_Drake
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Billy Drake
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Over France
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Royal Air Force
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A2284102
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10 February 2004

One of the reasons I wanted to join the Tangmere squadrons was that they had the Hawker Fury, which I'd already been trained to fly. As far as I was concerned it was the type of aeroplane that I wanted to carry on flying in my service career. Then we were switched to monoplanes. There was no training as such, so I was pleased that we were one of the last squadrons to be re-equipped with the modern monoplanes.

Before the Blitzkrieg things were rather leisurely because of the phoney war. A routine had to be continued - we were still training our new pilots, and we were still learning ourselves. We were finding out more about the geography of that particular part of France and Germany, just over the border. So we had an idea of what our programme was going to be, for example, a cross country exercise, a formation flight with one of the new pilots, or your own flight, depending on what the squadron commander or flight commander had in mind. But there was no operational necessity for anything we were doing.

No radar

The difficulty of that period was that neither the French or ourselves had an early warning system - we had no radar - so the only methods we had of sighting a possible enemy was either by the noise (the German aeroplanes had a very particular sound), or by sight. But to actually see an aeroplane with the naked eye beyond an altitude of around 15,000 feet was improbable. The main source of information was condensation trails, whether they were from enemy or friendly aeroplanes. A lot of our interceptions at that period were triggered by the sight of condensation trails, followed by instructions to investigate and report back whether they were friends or foes.

Having intercepted and verified that we were targeting the enemy, we had to work out a plan of action. We estimated a speed of approach because there was no great speed differential and you had to get in close to fire your guns effectively — you had around ten minutes to get into range. In the process of catching up with the enemy we had a lot of things to think about. We had to think of gun sights, and whether our guns were loaded and ready to be fired. And we had to be alert in case any friends of his [the enemy] might be lurking around the corner. We had very little ammunition, only about fifteen seconds' worth for eight guns, so we had to make absolutely certain that we were within range before we started to fire, otherwise all those bullets would have been wasted.

With more experience I learned to get in as close as possible to make the best use of the sophisticated gun sights and lighting system, which told us whether we were within two to three hundred feet of that particular type of aeroplane, depending on the width of their wing spans. We had to be certain that we weren't going to collide with the enemy aeroplane.

Man for man

At the beginning of the Blitzkrieg we suddenly realised what was happening — the war had really started and this was why I was in the Royal Airforce. I now had a job to do, which up until then had seemed like a game, teaching oneself and preparing for the use of the aeroplane as a lethal weapon. To begin with, we had a very short lifespan - days or weeks of intense warfare where we were scrambled up to three or four times a day without any form of guidance. All we were doing was looking for the enemy to attack. In the meantime, they were looking for us to attack. So it was a very hectic period, which didn't give us a great amount of time to delve into what was happening. We were unprepared for the actual killing and being killed. We were quite able to fly the aeroplane and fire the guns, but that was about all. The Germans were a step ahead of us as they had sent a specialised unit called the [Legion] 'Condor' group to Spain during the Spanish Civil War [1936-39], where they learnt to fight the Russian type aeroplane.

I felt that Germany was a war-like nation and had been for years. The Germans were geared up for this type of modern warfare. The hierarchy of the German airforce was based on the Prussian army, with its built-in disciplines and tactical appreciations. On the other hand, we thought we were the 'bees' knees' — there was nobody as good as us. We were confident and I we felt we were as good as the Germans, man for man.

Three Dorniers

On 12 May I took off with Prosser Hanks and two others, but not in my own aeroplane. At about 18,000 feet I realised that I wasn't getting any oxygen so I called Prosser and said, 'I've got no oxygen - instructions please.' His instructions were, 'Piss off and go home,' which I proceeded to do.

I happened to look around and saw three [German] Dorniers. I was in a good position to attack them, but I broke all the rules by not having a good look around before taking on another target and was, therefore, caught napping. Anyway, I positioned myself behind one at a reasonably close range, fired at him and I was quite happy that I had done enough damage - any more would have been a waste of bullets. I slid on to attack number one, the leader, when I in turn was attacked by a German. He must have been a b good shot because I thought he had blown my leg off. I felt a thump in my back and some bullets actually hit the armour plating behind me. A bullet must have hit me in the back, as well. Some bits and pieces of shrapnel from another bullet or cannon hit my leg, which was more painful than the back but less harmful. The aeroplane was in flames, and there were one or two other definite indications that I was no longer operational.

I knew I had to get out, so I did all the necessaries - releasing the Sutton harness (a safety harness), oxygen and RT leads, which I just had to pull, and I was ready to jump with my parachute. Then I realised I'd left the hood shut, which in retrospect probably saved my life because the flames would have come into the cockpit, and, as I was covered in petrol, I might well have gone up in flames myself. In the end I was able to turn the aeroplane upside down, release the hood and get out with the flames going in the right direction - not into the cockpit. I counted to ten, b* quickly, before pulling the ripcord. I was then at about 8,000 feet. I think the 110 [Dornier] was firing at me, but he didn't hit me.

In a French field

I wafted gently towards a French field and landed with a thump, then realised that the battle was still on as a bunch of French farmers, with scythes, pitchforks and any other lethal instrument, came straight at me. They certainly did not look friendly and I, who was in white overalls and very blonde, could have been mistaken for a German. But before they came into range I was able to demonstrate that I had RAF wings (I realised I was quite badly hurt then, because doing so made the wound in my back ache). As soon as they saw that I was an 'Anglaise' they couldn't have been more helpful, and they put me into a car to take me to the local medical clearing station, where I was given the news by a soldier that the doctor was not on duty and they'd run out of anaesthetic, but they'd do their best.

All they had to alleviate pain was morphine. It was a very unpleasant experience, which I don't want to go into or ever experience again. When they'd finished and realised that my leg had only been splattered by some shrapnel I was put into another car and taken to hospital.

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Message 1 - Billy's 'accident'

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by timelkington

I just have to add that anyone can forget to 'open the hatch' before leaving.
Same squadron, 3 months later, over Portsmouth, shrapnel, fire, get out! - why didn't it work? - OK stupid, stop playing yo-yos - first disconnect your radio cable and oxygen tube!
= Tim Elkington

Message 1 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by tomhughes

In the excellent story by Billy Drake, I noticed that he refers to the Enemy Aircraft as: 110 (Dorniers). However, the 110 is not a Dornier, but is a Messerschmit, and the Dornier (Do17, nicknamed the 'Flying Pencil' which is no.17. Can anybody confirm this for me?

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Message 2 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by timelkington

I find it hard to believe that Billy would mistake his enemy, but your views are correct, and it does seem more likely that a 110 might fire on him, being a fighter, rather than a bomber?? Tim

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Message 3 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by JClarke

From watching the Ancestors episode, it appears that he engaged three Do17s. He mentioned he shot one down and whilst lining up for the next one he was engaged by Bf110 which caused his Hurricane to catch fire almost immediately. He said they continued to fire as he was descending although I didn't know whether he meant descending in the plane or in his chute. If he was in his chute then he should have been able to identify the Bf110. - JClarke

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Message 4 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 22 February 2004 by Adam Evans

It isn't hard to mistake a DO17 for a BF110 because their tailplane is similar, their engine cowelings are similar from behind and the canopy is similar too. So it is not very hard to mistake.

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Message 5 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 22 February 2004 by Frank Mee Researcher 241911

Hello,
I saw this story on TV last night where Billy went back to the area he crashed in France. They managed to find small bits of his plane and told parts of his story of that day.
Billy said he thought they shot at him as he came down but was not sure. I would imagine that in the panic of trying to get out of a burning plane whilst wounded Billy would not take time to look around and write up his diary so could well mistake which plane shot him down. In the time it took him to get out and the shock of thinking his leg badly damaged the plane that shot him down would be long gone. Only a thought before this forum gets too involved.
Regards Frank.

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Message 6 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 23 February 2004 by tomhughes

Dear Tim, thank you for confirming my thoughts on the aircraft recognition. I agree with you entirely that it is much more likely that a 110 would fire on him than a bomber, and after seeing his story on T.V., the dint on the back of his head armour confirmed your view. Thanks again, Thomas

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Message 7 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 24 February 2004 by clive

All this going on about whether it was a Dornier, and if so, what kind of a Dornier it was is all very well, but not one word of how brave Billy, and hundreds of other young men in the prime of their lives fought, and paid the ultimate sacrifice to save us from the Nazi jackboot. Billy, you made me proud to be British, and I couldn't care less whether it was a Dornier or a bloomin Fokker! I wonder how the youth of today would stack up against MEN like you Billy. Chocks away, and God Bless you.

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Message 8 - Dornier 110?

Posted on: 24 February 2004 by Frank Mee Researcher 241911

Dear Godfrey,
My thoughts exactly. If some one is trying to shoot your head off you do not take out a pen and write the weapon type unit number and registration down, you are far too busy. By the time Billy took it all in found he could not get out of the plane and had to flip it over to dive out the attacking aircraft would be a mile away and Billy would be looking for his D-ring, parachuting is frightening when you are fully trained those pilots were not.
I find the search after authenticity somewhat laughable at times. The man getting shot at knows the least about anything happening around him. You are reduced to watching out for yourself and immediate mates and everything happens so quickly in those situations you cannot make head or tail of things going on.
We are talking about old people telling the story as they saw it and our memories can be very sharp on some things but mundane details escape us.
Billy was a very brave and much decorated Pilot and I thank goodness we had men like him. They went up against well trained men in good aircraft a lot of whom had been blooded in Spain. We had first world war tactics and the men learned on the job. I heard a German fighter pilot on TV say he felt it was criminal the way we threw untrained pilots up against them but it had to be.
A little less on the super exact details and a little more well done that man is called for I think.
Well said Godfrey, regards,
Frank.

Message 1 - Hours for our Real Honours?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by briray

I wonder why Billy Drake and all our other surviving fighter pilot heroes were not at least knighted at the end of the war? Surely they are millions of times more deserving than all those ridiculous pop singers, games players, and "businessmen" who have been knighted since then. Every soldier, sailor and airman who has fought in action has earned recogniton beyond comparison with anyone else who has been honoured but Billy Drake's record should have put him in the Lords.

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Message 2 - Hours for our Real Heroes?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by Paul Wood

I couldn't agree more. I've just watched Billy Drake's story and I was profoundly moved by his humility in the face of absolute terror. The unexpected disclosure at the end of the programme of his exceptional record of bravery and achievement summed up the man, his times, and what this country is capable of. Heroes have become sadly devaluated in recent years; I would love my children to meet Billy to understand what a hero really means.

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Message 3 - Hours for our Real Heroes?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by slimtankerman

Amen to the above. I have met dozens of men like Billy Drake, all modest, unassuming and far more worthy of recognition than our so-called "celebrities". What a brilliant story.

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Message 4 - Hours for our Real Heroes?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by Delphine

Totally agree. (Presumably your title should read 'Honours')

They must be aghast at most of the youth of today and society in general

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Message 5 - Hours for our Real Heroes?

Posted on: 21 February 2004 by joannew

i think it would be a good idea to show this programme and others similar to the schoolchildren of today -perhaps it would make them realise that they have an easy life compared to the life of a fighting soldier

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Message 6 - Hours for our Real Heroes - PRIORITIES!

Posted on: 23 February 2004 by owainantcliff

Hey, I'm 21 and couldn't agree more with all of the above. Despite being an avid rugby fan, I was quite sickened to see the likes of Clive Woodward recieving an award for successfully doing what he is paid vast sums of money to achieve, while the people who made and still make Britain so special, have to refuse council tax payments for want of an adiquate state pension.

As a 'youngster', I have to admit I often find myself feeling quite ashamed during rememberance day at the lack of people my age wearing poppies. I also admit to feeling enraged at the lack of understanding and recognition.

I also agree that all people at some point in their education should be made to watch programs such as the Dunkirk series. Our history and the people who have shaped it with such humility define us as an extraordinary nation. Never mind Jonny Wilkinson and political correctness, people need reminding of who and what real heroes are, because the smallest amount of that rubbing off would improve us all immeaserably.

Apologies for my ranting!

Owain

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Message 7 - Hours for our Real Heroes - PRIORITIES!

Posted on: 24 February 2004 by clive

Good for you young Owain! What a pity your attitude is not reflected by the yobs that we see too much of making other peoples' life uncomfortable and expecting an easy ride through life, blaming everyone else for their self-inflicted misfortunes.Keep wearing that poppy!

Godfrey.

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Message 8 - Honours for our Real Heroes?

Posted on: 27 February 2004 by briray

I am replying to my own posting by way of apologising for my error:- the title should have been "Honours for our Real Heroes" but a spell checker seems to have distorted it.

Sorry

Briray

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Message 9 - Honours for our Real Heroes?

Posted on: 15 March 2004 by nickhand

I read Billy's story and was amazed how matter of fact he tells it. There is no doubt Billy should have been honoured for his bravery. I would say though that ordinary heroes are overlooked all the time. I read the obituary of Tom Hurndall a photojournalist who died in January this year. He was killed by the Israeli Defence Force while rescuing three small children from gun fire in Rafah. Tom was 22. I know that this site is about WW2 but surely the point is to learn lessons and to be able to relate those lessons to what's happening around us.

Message 1 - Respect from Australia

Posted on: 13 June 2004 by myroncause

Hello all. I saw the wonderful widescreen documentary on Billy Drake in Australia tonight. It was shown on SBS television. This was the same 'Meet the Ancestors' program several people have commented on in other threads - evidently it was screened in Britain in February. I found the story and the recovery of his Hurricane fighter to be fascinating television. I doff my cap to Billy and the others of the legendary No 1 Squadron. I also found the comments from young Owain to be very appropriate. Also the query about why these fighter aces and similar real hereos have not been honoured in the way modern (and transient) people often are. This is so true, and also unfair - it certainly reveals a shallowness about modern western society. Finally, can anyone give me the proper reference to the 'Fighter Pilot' book that was mentioned in the TV program. I recall it was written by another pilot from No 1 Squadron. All the best. Myron.

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Message 2 - Respect from Australia

Posted on: 13 June 2004 by prclarke

I just watched SBS as well. Great show and a great story. The book referred to on the show was "Fighter Pilot", by Paul Ritchey. I found it readily available from all the usual on line book shops.

PRC

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Message 3 - Respect from Australia

Posted on: 16 June 2004 by georgieboy98

Hi Myron

All I can tell you is that the book in question is indeed called Fighter Pilot and was written by Paul Richey, himself one of the Number 1 Squadron roiginals in France. I have had this book for many years but I don't know where you might get it now.

regards

Peter

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Message 4 - Respect from Australia

Posted on: 16 June 2004 by georgieboy98

Are you the Peter "Nobby" Clarke who I used to go to school with in Old Coulsdon in the 1940's. If so I have lost your phone number!!

Peter

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