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Background Music - Please Stop!
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Message 1.听
Posted by Cathydee (U5646522) on Saturday, 7th March 2015
When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries. I have just tried to watch the programme on Doll's Houses and once again there is irritating background music. We don't live our lives with a constant theme tune in the background, so why do we have to have it on television programmes?
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Message 2
Posted by puppydogeyes (U14659366) ** on Saturday, 7th March 2015
When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries. I have just tried to watch the programme on Doll's Houses and once again there is irritating background music. We don't live our lives with a constant theme tune in the background, so why do we have to have it on television programmes?听 Some like it,some hate it,some don't care either way.
Tedious as it may seem ,trawl through this board,and you will stumble across many discussions,usually with exactly the same people making the same points repeatedly ,and moaning because no-one listens anyway. -
Message 3
Posted by ammonite (U16199199) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
WHY??? DOESN'T ANYONE AT THE 大象传媒 LISTEN?
Umpteen threads on the Messageboard, letters/emails complaining of this very subject and
STILL NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT
WHY NOT?? -
Message 4
Posted by Bethgem (U14263559) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
WHY??? DOESN'T ANYONE AT THE 大象传媒 LISTEN?
Umpteen threads on the Messageboard, letters/emails complaining of this very subject and
STILL NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT
WHY NOT??听 Good question!
I am one of the posters who has repeatedly posted about this problem, and I do realise that the 大象传媒 will not do anything about it.
They only pay (our money) for companies to make these programmes and the guidelines provided about background added noises, which is usually more in the front of the listening spectrum, are usually and mostly disregarded. We tend not to watch.
The popular opinion of a few on here believe that the producers know what they are doing and have trained their careers well to provide this service for us to enjoy the mood enhancement it gives, but that, to many on here, is bunkum!
Sorry to give you the bad news, but that is what is happening. -
Message 5
Posted by Cornish Pixie (U8483529) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
In reply to message 1. Try sub titles and the sound turned down to nothing ( not using the mute button because that leaves the word "mute" on the screen which usually obscures some text).
You will get used to it and it is surprising how quickly ones brain assimilates what is going on. I no longer find this an arduous task but is in fact very liberating.
Try it, it is well worth persevering with it. -
Message 6
Posted by Bethgem (U14263559) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
In reply to message 1. Try sub titles and the sound turned down to nothing ( not using the mute button because that leaves the word "mute" on the screen which usually obscures some text).
You will get used to it and it is surprising how quickly ones brain assimilates what is going on. I no longer find this an arduous task but is in fact very liberating.
Try it, it is well worth persevering with it.听 Yes, but oh dear, how not good are those subtitles when they spell the wrong word sounding similar to something like what they should have shown!
Subs are a second best option. No-one should really *have* to use them other than those whom they were originally intended for - the really hard of hearing and the totally deaf viewers amongst us.
So no. Background additional noises, which become foreground too often, should be toned down. When dialogue is used the problem is worse, of course, and it should be turned off when people are talking.
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Message 7
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Sunday, 8th March 2015
When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries. I have just tried to watch the programme on Doll's Houses and once again there is irritating background music. We don't live our lives with a constant theme tune in the background, so why do we have to have it on television programmes?听 "When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries."
Not before hell freezes over.
Actually we've probably all died and are already in a special area of the Inferno, being punished for our sins.
(That used to be a familiar plot of old plays on R4 ..... What! You mean .... ?? Yes! .... ) -
Message 8
Posted by Vox_Populi (U3226170) ** on Sunday, 8th March 2015
When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries. I have just tried to watch the programme on Doll's Houses and once again there is irritating background music. We don't live our lives with a constant theme tune in the background, so why do we have to have it on television programmes?听 "When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries."
Not before hell freezes over.
Actually we've probably all died and are already in a special area of the Inferno, being punished for our sins.
(That used to be a familiar plot of old plays on R4 ..... What! You mean .... ?? Yes! .... )听 Put another way, you have more chance of treading in rocking horse manure than you have of getting rid of loud rubbish music in programmes.
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Message 9
Posted by Cornish Pixie (U8483529) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
Agreed Beth, but we have to face it, the 大象传媒 are not going to do anything about noise pollution, too many people's livelihood depends on pushing this stuff out.
After using text some time I find that reading word for word is not important. The brain seems to scan over the words on auto pilot as it were, very much like driving a car. Not exactly the same of course, but that sort of thing. It is something difficult to define, more like an experience.
Some of the sub titles are quite amusing. I suppose someone is typing from the sound or perhaps it is a computer, probably more likely come to think of it.
A point to ponder: why is there no BGM on a music program ?........or do we have speech instead ! -
Message 10
Posted by Eamonn_Shute (U14223612) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
A point to ponder: why is there no BGM on a music program ?
........or do we have speech instead !听
On radio pop music programmes it is usual for the DJ to talk over the beginning and end of the record, presumably because it is traditional for pop songs to have a boring start and a boring ending (not to mention the bit in the middle). -
Message 11
Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries? 听
Hi CathyDee. Had you been on the message board 5 years ago you would have read the same complaint!....... and not just once but 5 squillion times.
The fact is the 大象传媒 don't hear complaints on account of the fact that they have been DEAFENED by background music. Sadly you have 2 options - grin and bear it or switch off. I tend to do the latter. Thank God I at an age that doesn't require a license or I would be tempted to put the TV on the tip. -
Message 12
Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
A point to ponder: why is there no BGM on a music program ?
........or do we have speech instead !听
Yep, they do that as well! Do you remember the Olympics where there was a considerable amount of great music specially written for it ............. which Huw Edwards wittered on continuously throughout?
Yer just can't win! -
Message 13
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Sunday, 8th March 2015
When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries. I have just tried to watch the programme on Doll's Houses and once again there is irritating background music. We don't live our lives with a constant theme tune in the background, so why do we have to have it on television programmes?听 "When are television programme makers going to stop putting loud and unnecessary music in the background of documentaries."
Not before hell freezes over.
Actually we've probably all died and are already in a special area of the Inferno, being punished for our sins.
(That used to be a familiar plot of old plays on R4 ..... What! You mean .... ?? Yes! .... )听 Put another way, you have more chance of treading in rocking horse manure than you have of getting rid of loud rubbish music in programmes.听
Yes .....
Tthings Which Will Happen Before They Stop BGM .....
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Message 14
Posted by Noah-zark (U3523462) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
It is absolutely impossible for the 大象传媒 to eliminate BGM because:
a. The 大象传媒 would have to admit to listening to viewers' opinions which they never do.
b. The 大象传媒 would have to admit to being wrong and to quote a previous poster that would only happen "when hell freezes over" -
Message 15
Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) ** on Sunday, 8th March 2015
Of course it's not just the 大象传媒 who are guilty of this noise pollution. There's a trend now of having songs as a soundtrack to dramas, often whingey whiney songs in the James Blunt style. This started in American shows but now seems to be creeping into UK programmes, often being played alongside dialogue making it difficult to hear what the cast are saying
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Message 16
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Sunday, 8th March 2015
Of course it's not just the 大象传媒 who are guilty of this noise pollution. There's a trend now of having songs as a soundtrack to dramas, often whingey whiney songs in the James Blunt style. This started in American shows but now seems to be creeping into UK programmes, often being played alongside dialogue making it difficult to hear what the cast are saying听 Too bloomin' true!
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Message 17
Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
It is absolutely impossible for the 大象传媒 to eliminate BGM because:
a. The 大象传媒 would have to admit to listening to viewers' opinions which they never do.
b. The 大象传媒 would have to admit to being wrong and to quote a previous poster that would only happen "when hell freezes over"听
Wouldn't it be nice if a 大象传媒 'big cheese' came on an answered this perennial complaint? It wouldn't change anything as the Beeb are more infallible than the Pope, but at least we would know not only that they DO exist, but they actually read the boards.
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Message 18
Posted by muskadash (U16206734) on Sunday, 8th March 2015
People were saying that ten years ago...they're not going to change because they want to sell the programmes to America, and American programmes all have constant music in them. What I would do is, stop watching tv and go on the internet instead.
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Message 19
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Sunday, 8th March 2015
It is absolutely impossible for the 大象传媒 to eliminate BGM because:
a. The 大象传媒 would have to admit to listening to viewers' opinions which they never do.
b. The 大象传媒 would have to admit to being wrong and to quote a previous poster that would only happen "when hell freezes over"听
Wouldn't it be nice if a 大象传媒 'big cheese' came on an answered this perennial complaint? It wouldn't change anything as the Beeb are more infallible than the Pope, but at least we would know not only that they DO exist, but they actually read the boards.听
Presumably it is all to do with sales around the world where frantic noise diversion is taken for granted as a prerequisite by those who do the buying.
It would certainly be nice if that were to be confirmed and perhaps apologised for but the corporate Beeb policy seems to be Never Explain, Never Apologise.
We used to have a 大象传媒 which made its own accomplished programmes for a domestic audience with whom it had a responsive relationship ..... that seems very quaint now in these days of bought-in telly 'stuff'.
The 大象传媒 does still make some programmes in the old way but has volunteered to give that guaranteed proportion of output up as a bargaining chip in negotiating its survival. -
Message 20
Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Presumably it is all to do with sales around the world where frantic noise diversion is taken for granted as a prerequisite by those who do the buying.
It would certainly be nice if that were to be confirmed and perhaps apologised for but the corporate Beeb policy seems to be Never Explain, Never Apologise.听
Well I can neither confirm nor refute, but what I CAN tell you is that the number of programmes sold abroad is relatively small. It's only the 'biggies' that get sold. The majority of programmes are for domestic consumption. I can't imagine any other country wants things like Countryfile, yet, like most programmes, it has contracted the 'BGM virus'.
What I CAN say, is that I can't remember any programme that I worked on where the words 'overseas sales' were ever spoken. BMG is more likely down to laziness and an ignorance of good production. They have whizz-kids straight out of Uni, and as far as I remember from my time in the business an Honours degree in Archeology doesn't make you a TV producer ........... but it will get you the job. -
Message 21
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Monday, 9th March 2015
Presumably it is all to do with sales around the world where frantic noise diversion is taken for granted as a prerequisite by those who do the buying.
It would certainly be nice if that were to be confirmed and perhaps apologised for but the corporate Beeb policy seems to be Never Explain, Never Apologise.听
Well I can neither confirm nor refute, but what I CAN tell you is that the number of programmes sold abroad is relatively small. It's only the 'biggies' that get sold. The majority of programmes are for domestic consumption. I can't imagine any other country wants things like Countryfile, yet, like most programmes, it has contracted the 'BGM virus'.
What I CAN say, is that I can't remember any programme that I worked on where the words 'overseas sales' were ever spoken. BMG is more likely down to laziness and an ignorance of good production. They have whizz-kids straight out of Uni, and as far as I remember from my time in the business an Honours degree in Archeology doesn't make you a TV producer ........... but it will get you the job.听 Hi pyanaman ..... I know that when Tony Hall started his job he said the first thing he would check was 'sales' ....... and my impression is that now there is a big general market for programmes, especially the Factuals, and that many transmitted by the Beeb are bought in from independent companies who hope to also sell to a wider market. (I could imagine Countryfile having an appeal in, maybe, Australia, and, perhaps, various Anglophile places.) It's money now.
..... but, yes, there appears to have developed a certain attitude to programme-making rather cynical leading to a churned out and processed quality. There could be a How It's Made (Quest tv) episode about how television is made now .....
"The programme is put into a machine and some fast drumming background noise-effect is welded to the film .... ".
I bet there's a check-list of Typical Elements to be included. There used to be an art-and-crafted feel to 大象传媒 programmes .....
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Message 22
Posted by Caryll (U16246019) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Every person I have spoken to about overloud background music has agreed that this a problem that the 大象传媒 are unwilling or unable to deal with.
I do so wish that someone would organize a petition to convince the 'Deaf' persons responsible for this aggravation, that there is a serious concern to be dealt with. -
Message 23
Posted by olicana_man (U14156932) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Doris Day on the Sewing Bee got right up my nose.
Yes stop it, we can cope with silence!!! -
Message 24
Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Every person I have spoken to about overloud background music has agreed that this a problem that the 大象传媒 are unwilling or unable to deal with.
I do so wish that someone would organize a petition to convince the 'Deaf' persons responsible for this aggravation, that there is a serious concern to be dealt with.听
It's nothing to do with overseas sales etc., it's to do with the fact that there is no longer any real IN HOUSE production of note. It's all companies like Endermol. If you hive off the work you lose control. These independent companies are where all these talentless 'whizz-kids 'lurk'.
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Message 25
Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) ** on Monday, 9th March 2015
These independent companies are where all these talentless 'whizz-kids 'lurk'.听
We have an entire generation who cannot do anything without a musical soundtrack whether they're jogging, walking to work, doing homework, travelling on public transport etc etc. They see silence as a bad thing and those involved in television productions seek to fill every second with music or dialogue, sometimes both at the same time. -
Message 26
Posted by Bethgem (U14263559) on Monday, 9th March 2015
These independent companies are where all these talentless 'whizz-kids 'lurk'.听
We have an entire generation who cannot do anything without a musical soundtrack whether they're jogging, walking to work, doing homework, travelling on public transport etc etc. They see silence as a bad thing and those involved in television productions seek to fill every second with music or dialogue, sometimes both at the same time.听 Yes, I agree with all that.
I have come to realise that I will never again be able to sit through a whole programme for the rest of my life now, because of the absolute ignorance of producers towards sections of viewers who do not appreciate all that added noise.
Some say only a few people do not like it but it has not been proved. Only speculation has been offered as evidence on that. -
Message 27
Posted by Nicandra (U16200827) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I'm afraid that the pollution has spread to all parts of the meejar. All TV is affected, as far as I know in all countries. I sometimes click through satellite TV in some foreign hotel and there it is...stock tickers, the gold price, air crashes - dum thwack doof doof peep peep; and that is before you get to TV 'programmes' when the dribbly tinklers step in and let it rip.
TV is a lost cause and I no longer have a TV licence because my TV viewing is now very limited and one does not need it on catch up at the moment.
Unfortunately the radio is getting just as bad. The World Service has gone down the pan and R4 is following. -
Message 28
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I'm afraid that the pollution has spread to all parts of the meejar. All TV is affected, as far as I know in all countries. I sometimes click through satellite TV in some foreign hotel and there it is...stock tickers, the gold price, air crashes - dum thwack doof doof peep peep; and that is before you get to TV 'programmes' when the dribbly tinklers step in and let it rip.
TV is a lost cause and I no longer have a TV licence because my TV viewing is now very limited and one does not need it on catch up at the moment.
Unfortunately the radio is getting just as bad. The World Service has gone down the pan and R4 is following.听 Yep ..... the mystery is why the perpetrators themselves don't recoil from this aesthetically horrible modern madness.
Why do the relevant Controllers not revolt against this tacky new nastiness .... as though life wasn't difficult enough anyway. -
Message 29
Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
WHY??? DOESN'T ANYONE AT THE 大象传媒 LISTEN?
Umpteen threads on the Messageboard, letters/emails complaining of this very subject and
STILL NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT
WHY NOT??听 Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.
Most people don't even notice it and if they do it doesn't bother them enough to complain about it.
I think some people have now become fixated on BGM and find it grating all the time whereas most of the time it adds to the atmosohere of the programme. -
Message 30
Posted by caissier (U14073060) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Unfortunately they seem to think that all programmes need the same atmosphere ..... Frenetic Excitement.
People tend to be accepting and resigned to whatever is served up to them, as with other areas of the media. It was imposed - not asked for - and probably by marketing executive types. -
Message 31
Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
People are not brainwashed, they are not just excepting, they are not bothered by it.
All media has BGM it's a way of life to most people it doesn't even get heard most of the time.
Maybe if people who don't like it would stop fixating on it they would feel better. -
Message 32
Posted by Nicandra (U16200827) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Most people don't even notice it ..........听
So not much point in having it then?
It does cost money to ruin programmes in this way. -
Message 33
Posted by Eamonn_Shute (U14223612) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Maybe if people who don't like it would stop fixating on it they would feel better.听 Or they could learn to enjoy it.
What a ridiculous idea. -
Message 34
Posted by TalkingHead (U16175014) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
WHY??? DOESN'T ANYONE AT THE 大象传媒 LISTEN?
Umpteen threads on the Messageboard, letters/emails complaining of this very subject and
STILL NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT
WHY NOT??听 Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.
Most people don't even notice it and if they do it doesn't bother them enough to complain about it.
I think some people have now become fixated on BGM and find it grating all the time whereas most of the time it adds to the atmosohere of the programme.听 A friendly question.
Why does a programme need so much music to add to the atmosphere.
I agree that some BGM may be needed but it would be nice for it not to be continuous, as it is in some programmes and innapropriate at times in others.
A lot of people do notice it and find that it distracts from the programme.
Used wisely it does add to the programme but it is not necessary on every programme. -
Message 35
Posted by Myshkin (U16115560) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
WHY??? DOESN'T ANYONE AT THE 大象传媒 LISTEN?
Umpteen threads on the Messageboard, letters/emails complaining of this very subject and
STILL NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT
WHY NOT??听 Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.
Most people don't even notice it and if they do it doesn't bother them enough to complain about it.
I think some people have now become fixated on BGM and find it grating all the time whereas most of the time it adds to the atmosohere of the programme.听 it is NOT half a dozen people on a message board..the 大象传媒's own figures show that complaints about bgm in any given year represents a full third of all complaints received.
To simply dismiss this because it ' doesn't bother you ' is sheer arrogance. -
Message 36
Posted by Dee_host (U15846799) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.听
This isn't entirely accurate, but it is the case that background music isn't as universally reviled as it might seem from the POV messageboard.
Personally, I enjoy good background music and I think it can really enhance a piece of video.
Admittedly, it's not always done well and is sometimes very intrusive. But I would certainly miss it if documentaries and factual programmes didn't make any creative use of sound. -
Message 37
Posted by C M Lockley (U14910185) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I too am a big fan of film/TV-Drama music, however, I'm not fully sure it's appropriate on documentaries or factual programs, certainly not all the time.
Films and Dramas are related to other art forms such as opera, so it is appropriate to have music, not sure about other things though, certainly not news items
CML -
Message 38
Posted by Nicandra (U16200827) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Maybe if people who don't like it would stop fixating on it they would feel better听
One could ask the RNID. They did have a dialogue with the 大象传媒 on account of its public service broadcast remit. I think it went nowhere.
If you do ask them don't forget to shout. -
Message 39
Posted by Geoff Harrop (U14473618) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.听
This isn't entirely accurate, but it is the case that background music isn't as universally reviled as it might seem from the POV messageboard.
Personally, I enjoy good background music and I think it can really enhance a piece of video.
Admittedly, it's not always done well and is sometimes very intrusive. But I would certainly miss it if documentaries and factual programmes didn't make any creative use of sound.听 Tried to watch 'Nelson in his own words' but had to forget about it. Repetitive, relentless annoying background noise [music?]. Has the 大象传媒 signed an agreement with the Musicians Union and so are forced to spoil everything with background sound - in this case so loud a lot of the spoken words just could not be heard? Poor devils hard of hearing must find it even more of a torment. For brief moments we are treated to a bit of silence but then like a bad smell you wait for 'music?' to return which happens too soon. 大象传媒 should be ashamed for spoiling programmes like this. I have paid my License Fee but am being cheated by you. I gave it a try but watching this Nelson TV was just too much. Do you ever force yourselves to sit through some of this rubbish. My complaint applies also to many Nature programmes. No sound of running water in the river just a load of discordant 'music' I am sick of it. It has been going on for far too many years. -
Message 40
Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Tried to watch 'Nelson in his own words' but had to forget about it. Repetitive, relentless annoying background noise [music?]. Has the 大象传媒 signed an agreement with the Musicians Union and so are forced to spoil everything with background sound听
I promise you, the MU hate this 'library music' as much as you do. It means that TV companies don't have to employ musicians or composers! -
Message 41
Posted by Nicandra (U16200827) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Tried to watch 'Nelson in his own words' but had to forget about it. Repetitive, relentless annoying background noise [music?]. Has the 大象传媒 signed an agreement with the Musicians Union and so are forced to spoil everything with background sound听
I promise you, the MU hate this 'library music' as much as you do. It means that TV companies don't have to employ musicians or composers!听 Maybe the 'library music' garners a royalty payment each time played? After all four notes played over and over in what seems to be the wrong order passes for 'music' these days. Trouble is a lot of it has been played on instruments that were originally intended for music but are now instruments of torture, especially when electronically tweaked. -
Message 42
Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.听
This isn't entirely accurate, but it is the case that background music isn't as universally reviled as it might seem from the POV messageboard.
Personally, I enjoy good background music and I think it can really enhance a piece of video.
Admittedly, it's not always done well and is sometimes very intrusive. But I would certainly miss it if documentaries and factual programmes didn't make any creative use of sound.听 Tried to watch 'Nelson in his own words' but had to forget about it. Repetitive, relentless annoying background noise [music?]. Has the 大象传媒 signed an agreement with the Musicians Union and so are forced to spoil everything with background sound - in this case so loud a lot of the spoken words just could not be heard? Poor devils hard of hearing must find it even more of a torment. For brief moments we are treated to a bit of silence but then like a bad smell you wait for 'music?' to return which happens too soon. 大象传媒 should be ashamed for spoiling programmes like this. I have paid my License Fee but am being cheated by you. I gave it a try but watching this Nelson TV was just too much. Do you ever force yourselves to sit through some of this rubbish. My complaint applies also to many Nature programmes. No sound of running water in the river just a load of discordant 'music' I am sick of it. It has been going on for far too many years.听 I have paid my licenCe fee and quite like BGM, or at least don't notice it so much it intrudes on my enjoyment of the programme.
I do think you are waiting for it and therefore getting annoyed before it happens making it worse. -
Message 43
Posted by Myshkin (U16115560) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.听
This isn't entirely accurate, but it is the case that background music isn't as universally reviled as it might seem from the POV messageboard.
Personally, I enjoy good background music and I think it can really enhance a piece of video.
Admittedly, it's not always done well and is sometimes very intrusive. But I would certainly miss it if documentaries and factual programmes didn't make any creative use of sound.听 Tried to watch 'Nelson in his own words' but had to forget about it. Repetitive, relentless annoying background noise [music?]. Has the 大象传媒 signed an agreement with the Musicians Union and so are forced to spoil everything with background sound - in this case so loud a lot of the spoken words just could not be heard? Poor devils hard of hearing must find it even more of a torment. For brief moments we are treated to a bit of silence but then like a bad smell you wait for 'music?' to return which happens too soon. 大象传媒 should be ashamed for spoiling programmes like this. I have paid my License Fee but am being cheated by you. I gave it a try but watching this Nelson TV was just too much. Do you ever force yourselves to sit through some of this rubbish. My complaint applies also to many Nature programmes. No sound of running water in the river just a load of discordant 'music' I am sick of it. It has been going on for far too many years.听 I have paid my licenCe fee and quite like BGM, or at least don't notice it so much it intrudes on my enjoyment of the programme.
I do think you are waiting for it and therefore getting annoyed before it happens making it worse.听 And I think you cant possibly know how other people experience things.
To repeat , bgm is the cause of a third of all complaints to the 大象传媒. So the fact that it doesn't bother you is irrelevant to those it does bother...and it's a lot of people. -
Message 44
Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
BGM can make a good programme fantastic! If it's well chosen or newly composed it can add enormously to many programmes especially, for me, natural history. To get the right piece of music when a camera sweeps over an ocean, mountain or desert can be very moving.
It might appear lots of people don't like BGM................but I'm afraid most of you on this thread are in the minority.
As a fan of BGM, I'm unlikely to start a thread saying how much I like it, but there are definitely more fans than the complainers here. -
Message 45
Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Because a programme gets millions of viewers and half a dozen people keep turning up on various threads moaning about BGM.听
This isn't entirely accurate, but it is the case that background music isn't as universally reviled as it might seem from the POV messageboard.
Personally, I enjoy good background music and I think it can really enhance a piece of video.
Admittedly, it's not always done well and is sometimes very intrusive. But I would certainly miss it if documentaries and factual programmes didn't make any creative use of sound.听 Tried to watch 'Nelson in his own words' but had to forget about it. Repetitive, relentless annoying background noise [music?]. Has the 大象传媒 signed an agreement with the Musicians Union and so are forced to spoil everything with background sound - in this case so loud a lot of the spoken words just could not be heard? Poor devils hard of hearing must find it even more of a torment. For brief moments we are treated to a bit of silence but then like a bad smell you wait for 'music?' to return which happens too soon. 大象传媒 should be ashamed for spoiling programmes like this. I have paid my License Fee but am being cheated by you. I gave it a try but watching this Nelson TV was just too much. Do you ever force yourselves to sit through some of this rubbish. My complaint applies also to many Nature programmes. No sound of running water in the river just a load of discordant 'music' I am sick of it. It has been going on for far too many years.听 I have paid my licenCe fee and quite like BGM, or at least don't notice it so much it intrudes on my enjoyment of the programme.
I do think you are waiting for it and therefore getting annoyed before it happens making it worse.听 And I think you cant possibly know how other people experience things.
To repeat , bgm is the cause of a third of all complaints to the 大象传媒. So the fact that it doesn't bother you is irrelevant to those it does bother...and it's a lot of people.听 A third of complaints doesn't tell us much Myshkin.
From where did you get this information. -
Message 46
Posted by Myshkin (U16115560) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
From the 大象传媒 !
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Message 47
Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I don't think it's a lot of people , it's a lot of the people who complain, there are a lot more people who never complain about things on the 大象传媒 than do.
What irritates me is the stop it now comments as if they are the only people who matter.
I can see that it is useless having a discussion about BGM with the people who are entrenched in their hatred of it so I will leave it there -
Message 48
Posted by Eamonn_Shute (U14223612) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
BGM can make a good programme fantastic! If it's well chosen or newly composed it can add enormously to many programmes especially, for me, natural history.听 Nobody is denying that. But what a big IF! It is rare for the music to be well chosen and used well. It is often used to excess or inappropriate.Anyone who has not noticed must be very unobservant.
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Message 49
Posted by Myshkin (U16115560) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I don't think it's a lot of people , it's a lot of the people who complain, there are a lot more people who never complain about things on the 大象传媒 than do.
What irritates me is the stop it now comments as if they are the only people who matter.
I can see that it is useless having a discussion about BGM with the people who are entrenched in their hatred of it so I will leave it there听 In last year for which there are figures the complaints about bgm were running at an average of more than 100 per week...thats a LOT. And they were sepeaate complaints..i.e. one complaint is recorded per person
I work for the NHS and if we had 100 complaints a YEAR about a specific issue it would result in questions in the House and a major inquiry.
You are failing to separate your own lack of concern with the concerns of a lot of other people. -
Message 50
Posted by GZ (U5310554) ** on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
A bit off-subject but the US television drama "American Horror Story - Freak Show" was a very, very well done series set in the mid 1950s which paid a great deal of attention to detail in making sure the clothing, the vehicles, the props were all authentic for the era.
Yet, when they had musical numbers that were written into the show - musical numbers performed on stage by the Freak Show's troupe of performers in front of their 1950's audience, they inexplicably had them performing songs like "Come As You Are" by Nirvana which was released in 1992. David Bowie鈥檚 鈥淟ife on Mars?鈥 (1971), Lana Del Rey鈥檚 鈥淕ods and Monsters鈥 (2012) and 鈥楥riminal鈥 by Fiona Apple (1997).
I didnt understand why they chose to break from the time and place setting they worked so hard to establish to have characters singing modern era songs.
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